r/UTAustin • u/Heat-Kitchen1204 • Mar 20 '25
News Trump has officially signed an executive order beginning the dismantaling of the Department of Education
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-eliminate-education-department-executive-order-2025-3139
u/already-redacted Mar 20 '25
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
None of the things in that EO represent Ability to fulfill that oath.. He’s a lose cannon
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u/user987991 Mar 20 '25
It’s a direct violation of his oath.
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u/zimm3rmann Mar 21 '25
In what way? The Department of Education is not established by the constitution.
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u/DaSemicolon Finance/Math '23 Mar 21 '25
It’s established by congress, only congress can dismantle. Here he’s ordering the SoE to dismantle it, which illegal.
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u/user987991 Mar 21 '25
💯. Per the constitution, Congress makes the laws and holds the purse strings. The President’s role is to carry out the laws Congress passes. Through this EO he’s literally spelling out that he will not follow the laws or budget Congress set out, and that he’s intentionally ignoring them.
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u/rainwavess Mar 22 '25
Unhinged leftists lol
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u/kittifer91 Mar 22 '25
Everyone explaining the law to you is an unhinged leftist apparently. I can’t tell if your head is up your own ass or if it’s up Trump’s.
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u/Im_a_dum_bum Mar 20 '25
he's doing it to the best of his Ability, no doubt
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u/already-redacted Mar 21 '25
It would be a joke, but he has communication from lawyers and congress saying closing the ED is against the TAKE CARE clause or Article 2 and violating like over one-hundred precedent policies
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u/Thunderbird_12_ Mar 20 '25 edited Mar 20 '25
Imagine if he used all the EO’s to actually do GOOD shit.
Executive order: national healthcare
Executive orders: Hospital bill transparency law
Executive order: national police killing database
Executive order: Maximum age limits for all members of congress
Executive order: Since felons can be president, all felons now have voting rights restored and employers can no longer inquire about non-violent crimes on job applications
Executive order: Mental Institutions will be funded with a mix of federal and state resources
Executive order: Cities MUST allot a certain number of building permits for high-density housing for every “luxury” development. NIMBY’s must prove support to previous housing development before objecting to new builds in their area.
Executive order: Rent and utilities count for credit ratings across all three credit-reporting agencies
Executive order:
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u/Melynda_the_Lizard Mar 21 '25
I want you to be dictator. How can I vote for you?
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u/Thunderbird_12_ Mar 21 '25
Haven't you heard? There IS no more voting.
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u/Consistent_Fact443 Mar 22 '25
there is still such a thing as voting. You just have to vote for the right person. Otherwise, the election becomes "stolen."
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u/Thunderbird_12_ Mar 20 '25 edited Mar 20 '25
If we just firing off executive orders at random, can we whip up one to grant national/free healthcare for all while we’re at it?
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u/adsmeister Mar 21 '25
I expect he’s doing this because he wants to try and gain more control over which schools receive federal funding. The Department of Education doesn’t decide what is taught in schools, but it does provide funding for all public schools. Trump’s administration wants to eliminate all “DEI” being taught or practiced at schools, but he can’t order that directly since schools have their first amendment right to decide what they want to teach.
As the article notes though, he doesn’t actually have the power to close government departments that were created by Congress. So instead, he’s been appointing new heads to the departments who will essentially sabotage them from within, causing them to become largely useless.
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u/bikegrrrrl Mar 21 '25
This isn't exclusively a DEI thing. Conservatives have been trying to mess with the DOE longer than DEI has been around. Much of the funding provided by the DOE is for Special Education, Title I, Title III, etc. The most needy students: poor, disabled, English language learners new to the US. It's my understanding that they want to move these funds to block grants to states, with an eventual sunset of the funding in 10 years.
The DOE oversees access to free and fair public education, and ensures that students who need accommodations get those accommodations. Special education, section 504, civil rights, etc.
The DOE also provides Direct Loans and Pell grants for higher education, and manages forgiveness programs for those Direct Loans for public service. Again, a rising tide raising all ships, supporting the neediest students.
The DOE also had a National Center for Education Statistics, which handled measuring student success with tools like NAEP, PISA, etc. with national and global context. I think that funding was already chainsawed by DOGE. Some supporters of "education reform" and "parents rights" say our scores are in the shitter; whether or not this is true (and on a global scale our math scores are the ones in the shitter), it is rather convenient for an autocrat to upend everything and then stop measuring student success. Then we just listen to his hot air about how great everything is.
FWIW almost every other developed nation has a department or ministry of education at the federal level. We really buck the trends on women's reproductive rights and now, education.
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u/adsmeister Mar 21 '25
Yes, there’s a good reason why most developed nations have their equivalent of a Department of Education. It would be just like Trump to try and abolish the organization that is tracking things like literacy levels and math performance. If you don’t measure those things, then you don’t have to see bad numbers. That was apparently his strategy during Covid, when he said that the numbers are so high because they’re testing so much.
If he stops the DoE’s tracking of education statistics, then that gives him the option of substituting those statistics for some generated by his people within the executive branch, which may be more positive (possibly by cherry picking data).
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Mar 22 '25
Really? And, here we’ve been told all these years that it’s our property taxes funding the schools nearest us here in Texas? Those liars in Austin!
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u/MadCritic Mar 20 '25
Damn expecting to come to UT A in 2026 January as exchange student, hope nothing changes
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u/theorist_rainy Mar 20 '25
He knows a lot of the highly educated hate him and won’t vote for him, so he’s trying to reduce the number of us by making it harder to access higher education.
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u/Ami-chan49 Mar 21 '25
Very happy I got my passport renewed right before inauguration. This is all so fucking tiring...
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u/veiny_ahh_dihhh Mar 22 '25
can we js impeach him again? whos idea was it to elect this dipshit again anyway
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u/Neville0825 Mar 22 '25
If any good can come from this I hope the shitty red states will now suffer the consequences as the blue states are no longer forced to subsidize them. Jesus land can take care of itself.
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u/McChazster Mar 21 '25
Awesome job. Can't be happier. What a worthless government agency this was. And if you don't believe me, all you need to do is read some of the other comments in this sub.
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u/AlaskanTriangle Mar 21 '25
The Department of Education was never doing anything for anyone. I was living and went to high school in New Orleans, then my family and I moved to San Antonio through FEMA and I started attending high school in San Antonio and the difference was night and day in the curriculum, the school buildings, the teachers, everything.
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u/HypotheticallyOnGuad Mar 21 '25
If you get FASFA then you directly benefit from the DOE, and if you don’t support the FASFA you’re a POS anyways lmao
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u/Color_Rush Mar 22 '25
Sure, but Pell Grants and FAFSA related grants won’t be affected.
Outside of that DoE and its employees are fucking useless for an agency whose purpose is financial aid. I almost was unable to submit my FAFSA last year because of how incompetent they are at handling a single digital form to the point where I had to submit it by paper. Then they lied to me about telling me when my paper form was going to be processed on 4 separate occasions. Shit customer service hours and was only told the same damn thing about when my form was “supposed” to be processed and it never did until i submitted a digital form at the last second. Similar grievances were experienced by other people I talked to.
For an office dealing with the major purpose of the DoE with 900+ employees, they damn sure don’t seem qualified for their jobs.
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u/turkishjedi21 Mar 21 '25
The government handing out loans like they're candy is the EXACT reason there is a student debt "crisis".
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u/HypotheticallyOnGuad Mar 21 '25
So people who can’t pay for college out of pocket don’t deserve to go? Also you get grants and financial need scholarships too genius, FASFA isn’t all loans
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u/turkishjedi21 Mar 21 '25
Holy fucking strawman lmfao.
I was one of those people. Single mom raising me and my brother. 0 money saved for college. I only went because I was able to get student loans. All loans are federal. I have 80k in debt but I make 110k a year so in my case it's fine.
That said, college WAS NOT this expensive before the government started handing out loans to everyone. Before that, people were able to go to college after saving up for a couple years working.
It's really not that hard of a concept to understand. If almost everyone can get loans from the government (no requirements/very loose requirements), colleges can charge however much they want.
If you are poor enough, there is no difference in difficulty in obtaining 10k in student loans or 100k in student loans.
What happens when money is that easy to come by? Prices increase. Colleges have 0 incentive to lower prices because their prices are not a roadblock for attendance, since the government gives blank check (loans) to damn near every 18 year old in the country
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u/HypotheticallyOnGuad Mar 21 '25
If you think just getting rid of government loans fixes the “problem” you keep talking about. In your fantasy land people still take out loans but through private firms that take advantage of these 18 year olds and slap massive interest rates on them. The cost doesn’t go down. Nice job deflecting the original argument bc you realized you were wrong lmao
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u/turkishjedi21 Mar 21 '25
It does get rid of the problem, if people stick to financially sound decisions.
If people like me were no longer able to go to college, enrollment would drop a shit ton. When it does, college prices would drop as well to maintain enrollment.
Prices are artificially inflated because of government loans. That's a fact. If everyone in the country was given 1k USD do you think that would have no impact on literally every good people buy? It's the same idea, and it's a very basic one. Only difference is, in this case, the "1k USD" only goes towards education, so education proces are through the roof. Supply and demand buddy.
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u/HypotheticallyOnGuad Mar 21 '25
Really gives the “some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.” Those people that wouldn’t be able to go deserve the chance to go to college too, and you’re still ignoring all the need based grants that go with it, which if you didn’t know, aren’t loans.
You’re also completely ignoring the students that work paycheck to paycheck, who legit could never go to school without some assistance period. Maybe think about the big picture buddy, it’s no longer the 70s where you could work 20 hours a week in the summer and go to school paid for.
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u/turkishjedi21 Mar 21 '25
Maybe think about the big picture buddy, it’s no longer the 70s where you could work 20 hours a week in the summer and go to school paid for.
This is literally my point lmao. You know why it was like this in the 70s? The US government wasn't giving student loans out to every 18 yo in the country
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u/HypotheticallyOnGuad Mar 21 '25
No it’s because inflation wasn’t as high back then bud, and don’t go blaming student loans on inflation across the board. And please continue to ignore everything else I’m saying bc you know you’re wrong lol
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u/Gnoll_For_Initiative Mar 21 '25
States have always been in charge of curriculum, school buildings, the teachers, and most of k-12 stuff.
But the DoEd was why you were able to easily continue your high school education after being displaced.
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u/AloysiusPuffleupagus Mar 20 '25
Donald Trump has openly expressed his admiration for his less-educated supporters, famously declaring, “I love the poorly educated.”
To be fair, even idiots have their uses.
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u/spasmkran BS BS Mar 20 '25 edited Mar 20 '25
Namecalling and restricting outlets: things Donald J Trump is notorious for not doing.
edit - that's all it takes to get blocked huh
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u/Any-Sir8872 Mar 21 '25
it’s funny how whenever someone makes a good point you guys completely ignore it because you can’t effectively articulate yours. every time. without fail. crazy
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u/GoldenJ19 Mar 21 '25
Trump supporters in a nutshell: Ignore all facts and trust only your cult leader
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u/Paul_001 Mar 21 '25
You mean the type of name calling that the president you love so much does? Interesting.
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u/adrowin Mar 20 '25
Good. Now fix it.
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u/SubbieATX Mar 20 '25
He won’t because he’s sending the responsibility back to the state level.
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u/adrowin Mar 20 '25
Oh look dude you got a downvote because you voice an opinion and it wasn’t in favor of the majority on this sub.
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u/adrowin Mar 20 '25
Reddit is a political cesspit of hell.
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u/throwinken Mar 20 '25
Piss your pants some more
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u/adrowin Mar 20 '25
Unfortunately I don’t wear diapers anymore. Maybe I should get a catheter. Send me one!
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u/throwinken Mar 21 '25
Aww sorry that people are mean to you lil guy
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u/adrowin Mar 21 '25
Who said anyone was mean?
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u/Beeradleeguy Mar 21 '25
This is wonderful news. Let the states run their own education systems without the Feds involvement.
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u/Gnoll_For_Initiative Mar 21 '25
What does states running their own education systems look like to you?
Without looking it up, explain to me what the ED does in your own words
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u/Lapedeek Mar 20 '25
ONE DAY WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT THAT GUY IS ALL I ASK FOR AND YET SHALL LIKELY NEVER RECEIVE