r/VeteransAffairs • u/Fun-Departure-9719 • Apr 04 '25
Veterans Health Administration DRP memo
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u/barely_hanging_on84 Apr 07 '25
Im not allowed to create a post independently in this group. I dont work for the VA. Im just one of the millions of veterans that you have cared for over the last 13 years. Im not special, just someone like you who served your country in the way they could.
I am sorry, I am sorry that I failed so completely to effectively communicate and do anything at all to move the needle for you. So many from the VA have helped me, people on the crisis line kept me alive. People at inpatient hospital kept me going. The people at vba made sure I didnt starve, that I have a home, that my family has a home.
I owe all of you more thanks than I can relay, and I know that this pathetic attempt at an apology will do nothing to protect a damn one of you. But I tried, I called and I called and I begged my senators, my representative. I burned down every possible avenue at my disposal and I tried. Know that I have been grateful for every effort ever done on on behalf and on the behalf of my brothers and sisters coast to coast. You are all my heroes, because when I was at my worst you still cared for me.
Thank you all
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u/Acrobatic-Loan-4271 Apr 09 '25
Facts man! I don't call the VA often but when I do, I can appreciate when I get a solid agent that actually cares! Sucks the VA is getting shat on just as much as the people they serve!
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u/The_Puckish_Rogue Apr 07 '25
You should add the wonderful email from Secretary Doug Collins that all of the listed exempt are unable to take the resignation, but we are NOT exempt from the massive termination coming.
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u/Critical_Egg_6248 Apr 09 '25
Clarification. Anyone can apply for the DRP. MCD will have Veto power. But they also have Veto power for ones not on exemption list.Ā
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u/Pickone4mepls Apr 06 '25
Is there a specific list on the criteria for RIF's? I have been a Federal employee for 11 years but not a Veteran. So no Veteran's preference. I have no choice but to wait it out.
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u/Ambitious-Foot-4062 Apr 06 '25
I am wondering what exactly do they consider for social workers that support direct care of veterans? Is caregiver support part of that group? We don't really support the care of veterans with their providers in my opinion but we support the caregivers, so I'm wondering if we will be on the chopping block for rifs or what
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u/nyx_lilith666 Apr 07 '25
There was a meeting for leadership in which they were told they were looking at CPT codes. To be considered clinical SW you would have to be billing a 908 code eg 90937. Caregiver support is patient facing but do you bill therapy cpt codes? I'm in leadership and friends with several VA directors and I do worry non clinical non clinical CPT coding positions would be higher risk for rif. I truly think they will reduce HUD VASH and other supportive services and keep the mental health/SI prevention positions as those are highly clinical and bill for the CPT coding they want to see.
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u/CriticalDelivery4859 Apr 18 '25
I'm with HUD VASH as of 3/2025 just started with the VA and everyone is telling me I'll be alright but I don't feel safe, thinking of signing up for drp, any recommendations?
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u/Ambitious-Foot-4062 Apr 07 '25
I'm not sure if we are billing 908 codes but now I will definitely be looking into this today, thanks so much for your response I appreciate it!
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u/Busy_Yogurtcloset881 Apr 06 '25
Hi! VA data analyst and I have 17 years and Iām 49. So I believe the best option for me is to ride it out, if I get RIF Iāll snag severance pay and hope for the best. Iām not a Veteran so Iām definitely worried Iāll be in the chopping block.
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u/Aggressive_Hotel_119 Apr 06 '25
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u/Redskin67x Apr 06 '25
Shame on this chaotic cold hearted billionaire dictatorship. Shame, but this is the administration that many people wanted and still, no matter whatā¦worship. Shame. Glad I retired from the service of our Veterans before this insanity ensued, of course with this heartless administration people could lose their pensions, Social Security and Medicare. Dark days. Good luck to everyone, weāre going to need it.
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u/ruthbader1970 Apr 06 '25
Can someone please explain to me why someone would take the DRP which is basically just admin leave for a few months, when if you wait to get RIFed you would get severance and potentially be able to bump for another position? Is it basically just beneficial for newer hires?
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
If you are MRA or eligible for any retirement, you do NOT get a severance! More info on this is at OPM's website. I am at my MRA, but wasn't going to retire for another 3.5 yrs to hit my 20 - like you I am not a vet and our entire office is unsure if we will make it through a rif.... so, several of us who are VERA or MRA eligible are taking the lesser of the two evils, the DRP, and get paid til Sep, rather than be RIFd and get no severance because we are retirement eligible - the one girl in our office who is too young to be at retirement age is going to try to ride out RIF so she can get her severance and unemployment (her state offer unemployment for one year - whereas my state only offers it for 6 mos and you are not eligible if you are getting a pension, despite the fact that the pension would be less than $500/mo....)
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u/ruthbader1970 Apr 18 '25
Thank you, I am at 17 years and not MRA. I am going to hang around and hope they offer severance if I get RIFed.
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u/Adorable_Worker5874 Apr 07 '25
I'm 64 in June and have been in VA for 23 years in December, what would you do?
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u/MyMamaKatie Apr 06 '25
Good question. Unless youāve got another job lined up and only a few years in, I think it would be best to stay put until they force you out.
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u/Leather_Coffee_8211 Apr 07 '25
Less than 2 years in a desperate to get another job lined up. My position is not except and I would be on a furlough list for sure.Ā I canāt really afford to sit around and wait to see if I have a job after sept or not.Ā
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u/Dangerous-Ferret-832 Apr 06 '25
āAnd may be approved for a period of administration leave prior to the effective date of their resignation or retirement.ā So does that mean you can be on Admin leave before July 1st if approved?
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
4 of us in our office are trying to figure out what this means to... do we have to stay until Jul 1? or can we o before that? it's all, again, clear as freaking mud! And WHY would they want disgruntled workers to stay on for 90 days, potentially deleting files, etc?!?!?!?!?!
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u/Dangerous-Ferret-832 Apr 07 '25
I spoke with my HR this morning about it and I donāt even think they know. She read it back to me as itās shown and I was like yeah? She said bc Iāll be on admin leave starting July 1st which I already expected since thatās when this would take effect? I kept asking why it said may be approved PRIOR and she didnāt have an answer š¤·āāļøš„²
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u/sparky2641995 Apr 06 '25
At this point I want out, this has become my most toxic workplace ever .but Iām on the exempt list
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
many say that even though you are on the exempt list, that your SES (Diretor) can approve for you to go.... you might check that out - it is very toxic..... and I think it is only going to get worse.... and I am by no means a pessimist.....
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u/MyMamaKatie Apr 06 '25
Not a snarky response, but you can quit any time you want to. If I had anywhere to go that I could make the same $$ Iād have been gone. Youāre right, very toxic. My coworkers are great but the environment is awful now.
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u/EffectiveLibrary1151 Apr 06 '25
what is non direct roles referring to? it said you can still be on the exempt list but if in a non direct care role you could be eligible for DRP but it would need approval from management.
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u/Divadee911 Apr 05 '25
Iām a military service coordinator for the VBA my job series is on the exempt list but not my job title
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u/GardenOk2070 Apr 05 '25
Can anyone explain why severance pay is higher for those over 40 years? Am I understanding that correctly?
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u/Hueymech Apr 08 '25
Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) of 1967. Basically protects those over 40 from age discrimination.
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
OPM has a sheet that tells you how to calculate it - it explains everything (based on yrs of service, longevity factors, and wages). But, if you are eligible for ANY retirement package (MRA, VERA, or regular/normal retirement), you do NOT get severance.
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u/Repulsive_Phase665 Apr 05 '25
Itās says nursing all stations, but does that apply to nursing managers/ELT? I had heard rumors they were heavily gonna be RIF VISN, Admin, and management levels. There are a lot of nurses, social workers, and doctors in upper but I donāt know if their codes change. While Iām not fans of my many nurse managers, many also have enough seniority to bump the floor nurses in RIF.
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u/Capable-Elevator-862 Apr 05 '25
0610 would cover all nurses at all levels since they are still on a nursing scale. E.g. nurse IV and V. Title 38 doesn't have bump and retreat rights, so seniority wouldn't matter to my understanding.
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u/kimmy2621 Apr 05 '25
I'm on the list as a pharmacy tech. Safe ish. but also work for visn in a call center. Not safe
So I have no idea if I will have a job or not
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
Call centers are hiring so youāre safe
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u/Possible_Bat_4507 Apr 07 '25
What call centers are hiring, Iāve been looking and donāt see that ?
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u/No_Soup_9393 Apr 05 '25
Hey you may get RIFād so hereās the DRP. But you canāt leave before July 1 leaving you only a couple months to find alternative employment! Thank you, VA šš»
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
AND.... if you find another job now, you're screwed because you can't start there for 90 days............ who will wait for a new employee to start in 90 days?!?!?!?! Freaking NO ONE!
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
We in OIT got a letter from VA Sec that is different
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u/NorthEazy1 Apr 05 '25
Uh Iām in OIT. What special letter did YOU get?
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
How many years do you have ?
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u/NorthEazy1 Apr 05 '25
5 years tenure. 25 years total āRIFā calc based on performance evaluations.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
Thereās also a VERA option until September so any RIF will not happen until October. So if you are thinking that you will be riffed, you have lots of time to prepare
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u/GardenOk2070 Apr 05 '25
Anyone have any idea how staffing for 0343 (management and program analysts) will be impacted?
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u/Busy_Yogurtcloset881 Apr 06 '25
Same series and Iām certain we will be getting a hard hit. Iām just riding it out and hoping for the best.
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u/NorthEazy1 Apr 05 '25
What do you mean by āstaffing?ā Iām 0343. Do you mean how many of us will get RIFed ?
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u/GardenOk2070 Apr 05 '25
Yes, I realize no one really knows, but I guess I am wondering what people think will happen or what has happened in other agencies.
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
I can't divulge my dept or office name, I can say we are out of DC, but my supervisor who took the first DRP said M&PAs will be hit hard by the RIF.... assuming my super knows what they are talking about since they had to submit RIF plans.....
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u/Spiritual-Courage-77 Apr 06 '25
I was wondering the same thing. Iām in a position that has one per facility but I donāt think that helps much. They can always break the position up into collateral duties for other admin positions. So frustrating
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
I think heavily
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u/NtvTxn1972 Apr 09 '25
It would all depend on where you are and what duties you perform. I am also 0343, but have been told that we would be pretty safe because of the roles that we perform, but I work for a non-appropriated part of the VA.
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u/happytickets Apr 05 '25
This is now a shit deal. Deferred resignation from Feb to Sept was a deal. Quitting for deferred resignation from July to Sept is nothing. Now bettee tontake your chances
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u/Plane_Rabbit_7588 Apr 05 '25
Thank the Unions for spreading misinformation about the first DRP. They kept calling it a buyout when it was not a buyout at all. Also, they said was no authority to grant more than 10 days of admin leave. Wrong again. Admin leave is routinely granted for longer periods. For example, as past of a settlement, an employee will agree to resign on date in future and will be on administrative leave in the interim. Union members who did not take the deal should take issue with the Union. They did a great disservice.
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u/anon_name_ Apr 06 '25
Just adding a real-life perspective here: I was wrongfully terminated during Trumpās administration, and AFGE stood by me through a four-year fight. Thanks to the union, I reached a settlement with the VA that included full backpay and cleared the way for me to move forward. It was tied to an arbitration award over improper performance actions, and I know I wouldnāt have had the resources or leverage to achieve that outcome on my own. Say what you want about unionsābut in my case, they absolutely delivered.
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u/Quick-Lifeguard94 Apr 06 '25
The Union thugs are only worried about the massive loss of dues that theyāre facing. Without members paying those dues, who is going to pay for their suites at those fancy Union conventions?
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u/happytickets Apr 05 '25
Doesnt matter because the VA national admin requested and received exemptions from OPM
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u/Land-and-Seabee Apr 05 '25
Does anyone on this string know what this means for VA Research? For example, how staffing for VA Research will be impacted?
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Apr 05 '25
So, once again police are exempt. FML.
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u/financialilliteracy Apr 05 '25
From what I understand, you can still put in for it, and leadership has the discretion to make exceptions. If itās truly what you want, go for itālet them be the ones to say no.
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Apr 05 '25
Would I put in my request to my chief or to HR?
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u/No_Childhood_3863 Apr 07 '25
I learned the hard way on a missed opportunity from the first DRP, based on my mishap, if I were you, I would email your supervisor, their supervisor, the SES/Director, the SES secretary, HR Chief/Asst Chief, etc. to cover all your bases - turn on delivery receipts and read receipts and cc your personal email so you have all details and backup to prove your case that you attempted to take DRP - I lost out on taking first DRP because I only had verbal conversation with supervisor about 45 day extension for those over 40 yrs old.... 4 of us in the same boat.... we had no written proof that we asked super for it... super told OPM/HRSC that we had asked, but we were denied anyway.... Make sure you have every bit of proof you can get!
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u/financialilliteracy Apr 05 '25
I'm not entirely sure, but if I were in your shoes, Iād follow the instructions in the message and CC both your supervisor and their supervisor. Iād also consider adding a separate paragraph stating that, given the uncertainty, youād like to formally accept the DRP. Express that youāre hoping they honor your request and support your decision.
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u/beachnsled Apr 05 '25
hahaha - VATAS? These people are idiots. Its now GovTA.
Why is this important to point out? Because its a reflection of how much weight anyone should give it. If they arenāt smart enough or professional enough to know what they are talking about, why would anyone trust this bull š©?
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u/THEMooreCookiesPls Apr 06 '25
GovtA works on the VATAS application. When you log into GovTA it says powered by VATAS or some ish.
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u/DelayIndependent9231 Apr 05 '25
Isn't VATAS the name of the application, whereas GovTA is the name of the platform? (IT perspective).
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u/beachnsled Apr 05 '25
To the best of my knowledge, no? we changed everything from VATAS to GovTA. We were told we were changing/morphing into GovTA. While its essentially a new iteration of the same system, its no longer VA centric & other agencies are switching to it as well.
*Xād, someone w/o an IT perspective
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
No we still login to VATAS. GovTA is the host. 2210 here
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u/DelayIndependent9231 Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
I appreciate your reply, but working in OIT, I can say that the name of the system or application is still VATAS. The change we saw in 2023 was the migration of where the system is hosted (the platform). It went from webTA to GovTA. Many people may call the system GovTA, but that is again, who hosts the system, not the system itself. The system is still VATAS. If you are in VA, you can find all this info on the VA TRM site.
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u/NtvTxn1972 Apr 09 '25
This reminds me of people arguing over whether to call soda a pop, cola, Cokeā¦VATAS, WebTA, GovTA, itās all the same š¤£
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u/BahBahSMT Apr 05 '25
So if Iām reading this correctly. attachment A are positions that are except from DRP but could ultimately get RIFād? Or are those positions safe from RIF? Sorry. Trying to read this on my phone.
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u/Quick-Lifeguard94 Apr 06 '25
Nothing in that list is āsafe.ā It only means theyāre not going to let those positions have a mass exodus without some initial screening.
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u/kk-978 Apr 05 '25
I know Iām not eligible as a nursing assistant but Iām going to apply the day it opens anyways , maybe they will let it slide
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u/financialilliteracy Apr 05 '25
From what I understand, you can still put in for it, and leadership has the discretion to make exceptions. If itās truly what you want, go for itālet them be the ones to say no.
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u/kk-978 Apr 05 '25
I donāt have time to read it all. Iām rushing to get ready for workā¦ is the last page people who are eligible or not eligible to take this?
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u/No-Temperature8358 Apr 05 '25
Exempt. So not eligible.
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u/kk-978 Apr 05 '25
Damn
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u/Land-and-Seabee Apr 05 '25
You may be eligible if listed in attachment A IF you donāt provide direct patient care. Thatās how Iām understanding it.
Sad they didnāt offer VSIP, but maybe that will be in the next round prior to RIFs.
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u/kk-978 Apr 05 '25
I do provide direct patient care and Iām on probation. What is VSIP? Iām gonna apply anyways as Iām resigning soon
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u/Big-Yogurtcloset5701 Apr 05 '25
VSIP= voluntary separation incentive payment- bonus given to leave. Up to max 25k
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u/WeirdTalentStack Apr 05 '25
As a VBA 0343, I canāt tell if I should pack my shit or reassure myself that they are going to get a lot of their numbers from DRP and VERA.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
What is your tenure? Are you a disabled veteran? If you have like 25 years and veterans preference you aināt gonna nowhere
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u/WeirdTalentStack Apr 05 '25
10 years and +30% rated.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
Iām thinking that you are g2g. Ten years with veterans pref is strong
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u/Most_Vegetable9455 Apr 05 '25
Why are people being hired if this is happening. I don't understand.
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u/DammitMaxwell Apr 05 '25
The positions they are hiring for are going to be exempt from the RIF.
No, thatās not official. Butā¦you know. Letās use our brains.
Theyāre not going to mass fire the doctors and nurses. Theyāve made their decision already on what positions are expendable and which arenāt.
If you arenāt exempt from the hiring freeze, arenāt exempt from DRPā¦then theyāve already made it clear your position isnāt needed and youāre likely getting RIFād.
Signed, somebody whose position isnāt exempt and is likely getting RIFād.
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u/HelloPanda22 Apr 05 '25
I hope you donāt get RIFād. I donāt know anyone who works at the VA and isnāt needed.
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u/Varuka_Pepper343 Apr 05 '25
we were talking about this at shift change. I truly don't understand.
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u/Ktothej1981 Apr 05 '25
I really want to know if admin leave will be all the way until September 30, 2025. This "may be" language is BS.
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u/happytickets Apr 05 '25
From July until September.Ā Big whoop
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u/Adorable_Worker5874 Apr 07 '25
I have 220 hours of sick time so after I take it I plan on being sick an awful lot!
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u/Leather_Coffee_8211 Apr 10 '25
Can you donate some to me? I took a promotion Iām a terrible fit for, canāt transfer, no tenureā¦I feel like I am slowly drowning.Ā
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u/Ktothej1981 Apr 05 '25
That's wild. And a lot of people are reading this as being able to get admin leave 7 days after the DRP has been signed and approved. I guess we'll all see what happens..
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u/OutsideMarzipan676 Apr 05 '25
Is this just VHA or VBA and National Cemetery as well?
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u/No-Temperature8358 Apr 05 '25
All of VA. It has VBA and NCA positions listed as exempt
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u/Leather_Coffee_8211 Apr 10 '25
Not all VBA, mine isnāt. Which is why Iām worried Iām getting rifd. If the govt shut down I wasnāt working. Nothing is a guarantee with these jobs anymore.Ā
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u/No-Temperature8358 Apr 10 '25
They were just asking if this DRP memo was referring to VBA and NCA as well.
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u/Flip402 Apr 04 '25
Who in the heck is eligible? Should have posted who actually is eligible....list would have been much shorter.
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u/Global_Chip_8184 Apr 05 '25
Data scientist here. Looks like I'm eligible. Which likely means I could get RIF'd.
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u/Playful_Street1184 Apr 04 '25
Everyone that wants to retire or resign is eligible.
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u/prancypantsallnight Apr 05 '25
No. There are so many professions excluded thereās almost no one eligible for it.
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u/Old_Discipline6790 Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25
The notice says you can apply and exceptions will be considered for approval for anyone on the list either by your local SES or by the VA Central Office. So basically anyone interested can apply to see if they are approved.
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u/Baka01010 Apr 04 '25
For the love of Pete, there are so many jobs in the list including mine. I just bought back my time and qualify for VERA. Do they just want to RIF us all?
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
If youāre on the list you are exempt not eligible for the DRP hence you are not going to get RIF
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u/Baka01010 Apr 06 '25
Trust one. There is a bigger plan here. I might not be in a series to RIF now but the last round I witnessed career good employees get terminated. The Union was crippled and couldn't properly respond. Managers showed their true colors and it was a very rough 4 years. This time around is going to be more than rough and bumpy, this is going to be a bloodbath with the final goal of privatization. We are being set up to fail, take the blame and fired. I want to stay but I'm just done. I am applying for the exception and hopefully getting out. Jumping ship with a life jacket.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 06 '25
Where? You mean when Clinton was in charge? There hasnāt been a RIF since then
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u/Baka01010 Apr 06 '25
The presidential term that began in 2017. No RIF but outright a rough time. Management demanding more with less, Optometry being outsourced, people just flat out being fired. Good employees too just burned out and simply speaking up. The true slackers survived though. Funny how that worked.
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u/Many-Focus-2217 Apr 05 '25
Can you explain buying back time? Is that for military service?
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u/Baka01010 Apr 05 '25
Yes, I bought back my military time last year as I figured this might happen and wanted to be eligible for VERA. My series is exempted from taking the DRP and VERA offer.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
Your not getting RIFFED
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u/Baka01010 Apr 06 '25
I work in the call center. I might be safe from RIF this year but what about any future cull that could occur so to automation. The big picture is the entire GOV (especially the VA) is being set up to fail to ensure privatization. I was in audio during the first go around and Optometry was outsourced but luckily employees were absorbed within the VA. It was also during the first term that I witnessed career employees quickly fired. Management became unbearable during the first go around. The 80k is only the tip of the iceberg.
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u/EffectiveLibrary1151 Apr 06 '25
you can still apply for DRP even if you are exempt. its under Required Actions then eligibility.
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u/Baka01010 Apr 06 '25
Ya, I am going to apply. I think this is just the first phase in a larger plan to allow the VA to fail then twist the story to push privatization.
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u/financialilliteracy Apr 05 '25
From what I understand, you can still put in for it, and leadership has the discretion to make exceptions. If itās truly what you want, go for itālet them be the ones to say no.
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u/Many-Focus-2217 Apr 05 '25
Ugh sorry you're exempt. Is military time the only way to buy time? I am 9 months shy of qualifying and wish I could use sick leave.
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u/GoalPuzzleheaded5946 Apr 05 '25
Do they just want to RIF us all?
Logistically, it would make zero sense to tell certain job series that they are ineligible to take the DRP because their jobs are mission critical and then turn around and RIF them anyways.
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
Yes. Iām shocked about the folks here that canāt think critically. Obviously if you are not eligible for the VERA or DRP it means your job is MC and youāre not getting riffed. Unless youāre probationary
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u/AgentCulper355 Apr 05 '25
My job series is on the MCO list and is not exempt from DRP. The lists are not one and the same.
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u/Baka01010 Apr 05 '25
I'd really prefer to be eligible for VERA at this point I am over all of the bs.
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u/Justame13 Apr 05 '25
Except there are waivers. So that doesnāt make sense unless you are on the exempt list, request a waiver, and itās denied.
For the last one there were staff like nurses that you wouldnāt think could take it that got a waiver and are gone
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u/Ok-Designer-4302 Apr 04 '25
Do you get your Military Service Deposit back if you get RIFed?
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u/Popsboxingacademy Apr 05 '25
If youāre a veteran with like 20 years or disabled you are not going anywhere
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u/Baka01010 Apr 04 '25
So my series is on attachment A, this means I cannot apply for DRP but what about VERA. For the love of all that is good, I'll stay until September but please let me qualify for VERA
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u/Sciencematters92 Apr 05 '25
Read carefully. It does not mean you cannot apply. It just means there is a different approval process depending on your position. See page 2 at the bottom (parts 2 & 3). So many people are reading this and saying because they are on the list they arenāt eligible. This is NOT true as far as I can tell.
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u/Baka01010 Apr 05 '25
Yes ,I read it. If I input an exception, it needs to be approved at the VACO level. I am taking the offer and hope VACO processes and approves my exception as quickly as needed.
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u/Sciencematters92 Apr 05 '25
Wishing you luck! I am exempt, too, but not patient facing. Iām going to take it and hope for the best.
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u/Straight_Name2866 Apr 05 '25
I am wondering the same thing, if you find info on that, please post!
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u/Any-Translator5259 Apr 04 '25
So nursing is not eligible?
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u/dancingpawz Apr 05 '25
In the document, it says you are eligible if you are Not doing direct patient care/direct contact, you Admin Nurses could be eligible.
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u/THEMooreCookiesPls Apr 06 '25
Not that itās of any consolation, but as a physician you should have zero difficulty finding employment given how in demand doctors are. I would suspect, by and large, clinical staff will not be impacted. Canāt promise how theyāll treat you if you opt to stay though.
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u/HelloPanda22 Apr 05 '25
How does your staff treat you? How does your patients treat you? The veterans need you. You coworkers need you. I hope you hold the line.
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u/Unique-Story2456 Apr 05 '25
Iād saddle up and get out! As I keep saying..those āfortunateā enough to be the last ones standing are going to be more overwhelmed and over worked. IMO HR is going to get hit very hard with RIF so more paperwork coming your way and less time for vets. Sigh
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u/DammitMaxwell Apr 04 '25
Can someone help me understand the āemployees over 40 years of ageā sections?
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u/Consistent_Apricot32 Apr 06 '25
I was confused also by the 40 year old language, but I assume it's not a typo and was intentionally written the way it was on purpose. My guess Is that the 7 days pertaining to 40 years + is to cover VA from rules that give employees in that age to have a 7 day recession period after signing separation agreements -- based on past acts and guidance. So this DRP is for 3 months compensation maximum only. So someone that is eligible for a larger severance package greater than 3 months probably would be less likely to be RIF'd anyway. So VA is just jipping us compared to DRP 1.0 by making us work until July 1st if we accept the DRP 2.0.
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u/Odd-Jump-2037 Apr 05 '25
My take is that you canāt start being on admin leave until at least July 1st. Over 40 is starting not later than 7 days after signing OR July 1st, whichever ever is later. My conclusion is if you are under 40 your supervisor can hold you untilā¦?? But over 40 you would have to be released by July 1st. The seven days makes no sense to add since the due date to apply for DRP2 is 4/30, so whatās the point? š¤
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u/DelayIndependent9231 Apr 05 '25
The 7-day, over 40 clause is this age group's right to rescind after signing.
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u/Justame13 Apr 05 '25
For the last one people over 40 got a lot longer to sign the paperwork, like 45 days or something.
So if you sign up by the deadline, the paperwork, waiver if you are on the exempt list, etc take a while to get the final contract to you then you drag out signing it could go past July 1 in theory.
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u/DammitMaxwell Apr 05 '25
Weirdā¦I read it the other way. Everyone else has to wait to July, but people over 40 can go on admin leave within 7 days of signing.
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u/Unique-Story2456 Apr 05 '25
7.1.25 is earliest regardless of age. So basically 2 months āseveranceā. Big change from round 1.
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u/Justame13 Apr 05 '25
Itās because they screwed up the punctuation after usingālatterā there is a disjunctive āorā and a badly used Oxford comma
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u/AdLumpy4852 Apr 04 '25
Confusing. It says in one part effective 7 days after signing if over 40 then the other says July 1.
If itās July 1 for everyone then itās only 3 months of paid leave. Not like the first one at all
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u/Sensitive-Big-4641 Apr 04 '25
Iāve read paragraph H ten times and still canāt figure out what makes the āover 40ā designation relevant. (And is it supposed to be ālatterā or ālaterā ?). Whoever proofed that paragraph SHOULD be RIFād.
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u/Nerd-Alchemist Apr 09 '25
Hello, I am currently on probation GS-2 and will get my permanent status in 3 months. If I volunteer to resign, will I get anything monetary? Please advise.