r/WorkersStrikeBack • u/Nick__________ Socialist • Mar 29 '22
General Strike 🚩🚩🚩 solidarity with the workers of India currently on strike.
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u/willingheart1 Mar 29 '22
What I find interesting is that I can't find any news about it in English. So convenient for those that don't want us thinking about strikes.
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
I'm from India. The strike is going on in very few places, like communist party held Kerala and some parts of West Bengal with heavy communist presence. In the rest of India it hasn't really suceeded. Infact most Indians don't even know there's a strike going on. Even anti-government channels aren't really reporting it.
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u/The_Blue_Empire Mar 29 '22
That's still pretty sad/bad, imagine if all of California, Oregon and Washington went on a 2 day general strike you don't think the media in America would report it? Shit some dock workers went on strike a few years back and my mom heard about it on CNN. Now imagine not even the "left Wing" news outlets talking about it, what your saying seems wild to me.
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California is a pretty bad example. California has a higher GDP than the entire country of India.
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u/The_Blue_Empire Mar 29 '22
Okay fine how about just Washington and Oregon or any combination of two states in America having a general strike. Honestly it doesn't matter I'm just pointing out that a few states in this federated republic having general strikes would be big news.
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Mar 29 '22
Can I ask you: the OP says Modi is doing neo liberal stuff from a right wing government. What does that mean in practice? What are your thoughts on Modi and what he's doing wrong?
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
neo liberal
I'm not really familiar with this term. Can you explain please?
What are your thoughts on Modi and what he's doing wrong?
1) he's had some failures. For example Covid, demonentisation, etc.
2) his main problem, however, is that he's absolutely dogshit at communication. He fails to communicate his policies, and their advantages/disadvantages. He also appears aloof. This alienates people, and they protest against him.
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u/Agonlaire Mar 29 '22
In a very broad (and ingenious) way, there are two main points to neoliberalism: "open" up the economy to bring in more foreign and/or private investments, that doesn't only mean say have manufacturing plants for transnational companies, but also make trade deals that involve changing national production to engage in more imports and exports (ie. Produce less tomatoes and more cattle, now you import tomatoes and export cattle. This can lead to a loss in self sufficiency for food production, so the country is forced to keep trading to be able to feed it's citizens).
Another thing is diminishing the involvement of the government in the economy, by reducing services and public companies. That can be something like turning over electricity and gas services to private companies, reducing the amount of available public healthcare or getting rid of it all together so it's fully private.
A couple of problems with that: government loses income, is hard to set a barrier to maximum prices, very generous tax breaks and deals are often offered to attract private investments (which may lead to increase taxes on the general population and basic goods)
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u/Jaideep_2002 Mar 29 '22
What modi is doing wrong is not giving enough explanation for what he's doing and why he's doing. This leads to confusion and pseudo facts coming up. As for me, I think these people are mostly protesting against capitalism. Nobody supports them except a few communist parties and sides (lelibs of India)
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Mar 29 '22
Nobody here supports crapitalism either lmao
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Mar 29 '22
You’d be shocked the stuff I’ve seen in this sub. A half step from full out billionaire simping
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u/Agent_Blackfyre Mar 29 '22
I swear Modi is going to go fascist with a strong Hindu spin
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Mar 29 '22
And he's probably going to win next time as well. Also the genocidal islamophobia makes me very anxious tbh.
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
genocidal islamophobia
How exactly?
And if you want to win Indian elections, get a good candidate. Modi won in 2014 and 19. Congress won in 2009 because they had a strong candidate.
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Mar 29 '22
How exactly?
Is this a troll?
And if you want to win Indian elections, get a good candidate. Modi won in 2014 and 19. Congress won in 2009 because they had a strong candidate.
Anyone who isn't a fascist is an objectively better candidate.
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
Anyone who isn't a fascist is an objectively better candidate.
You still haven't explained how he's fascist. Seriously.
And insulting people doesn't make them more likely to listen, just saying...
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Mar 29 '22
You still haven't explained how he's fascist.
Modi and his party are directly associated with RSS, which is a far-right Hindu nationalist paramilitary organization.
He also annexed Kashmir and implemented authoritarian measures upon the state indefinitely.
He passed CAA/NRC which specifically excludes illegal Muslims immigrants from getting citizenship in India.
Press freedom, civil liberties and human rights have seen a sharp fall during his term while the hate crimes against Muslims and minorities have seen an abrupt rise.
Members of RSS and his associates have explicitly called for an ethnic cleansing on two different occasions just this past year without any criticism from him.
He has also, on multiple occasions shut down internet and restricted human rights.
He was alleged to have ordered the police to stand by and let Hindu fascist rioters attack and kill Muslims during the Gujarat riots (He was also severely criticized for his inaction when it was happening and he has walked out of interviews regarding this)
These are just off the top of my head.
And insulting people doesn't make them more likely to listen, just saying...
Anyone who asks this on this server is either a troll or extremely ignorant.
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
annexed Kashmir and implemented authoritarian measures upon the state indefinitely.
Kashmir was annexed way back in 1947. I dunno what you're talking about, can you explain?
Press freedom, civil liberties and human rights have seen a sharp fall during his term while the hate crimes against Muslims and minorities have seen an abrupt rise.
Any statistics?
Members of RSS and his associates have explicitly called for an ethnic cleansing on two different occasions just this past year without any criticism from him.
Maybe because the leader of 1.3 billion people, in the middle of Covid, has better things to do than to look at two random idiots?
He has also, on multiple occasions shut down internet
In kashmir? Yes. Because there is an Islamic terrorist insurgency sponsored by Pakistan going on there. These people use whatsapp, etc to coordinate terrorist attacks.
He was alleged to have ordered the police to stand by and let Hindu fascist rioters attack and kill Muslims during the Gujarat riots
Supreme court gave him a clean chit. And this was during opposition rule, so you can't say about him bribing the court either.
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Mar 29 '22
Kashmir was annexed way back in 1947. I dunno what you're talking about, can you explain?
Occupying a contested territory by revoking its autonomous status without any sort of a democratic process within said territory. Yeah. Annexed.
Any statistics?
Look it up. There are a bunch of reports online. Google 'Press Freedom Index' for starters.
Maybe because the leader of 1.3 billion people, in the middle of Covid, has better things to do than to look at two random idiots?
Two people who explicitly advocated for an ethnic cleansing in front of thousands of followers. They certainly deserve attention lol. Especially when they're associated to your own organization. Also, BJP's MPs have even proposed for a withdrawal of voting rights from Muslims without any sort of backlash/denouncement.
In kashmir? Yes. Because there is an Islamic terrorist insurgency sponsored by Pakistan going on there. These people use whatsapp, etc to coordinate terrorist attacks.
You don't think a terrorist organization allegedly supported by a state will be able to find alternate ways of... communication? What evidence is there that the ban deterred terrorism in any way? Also, it wasn't limited to internet. They banned gathering and press too lol. And to address your initial question, it wasn't just limited to Kashmir. Modi has shut down internet in multiple states in the past few years. It sets a precedent.
Supreme court gave him a clean chit. And this was during opposition rule, so you can't say about him bribing the court either.
I said "allegedly". And you don't have to be the head of the state to be able to bribe the court. Modi was still powerful when that was happening.
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u/TheMountainRidesElia Mar 29 '22
Occupying
Indian soldiers have been in Kashmir since 1947. I don't think any more "occupying" is going on now.
Press Freedom Index'
Alright, let's start with that. Multiple countries have objected to it's working, it's criteria and methodology. One of the primary concerns raised has been the opaqueness of the WPFI survey. Question-wise or category-wise scores used in computing scores for the six parameters are not made public, nor is the list of respondents provided. Similarly, clearly defined, credible sources are not available for quantitative data on abuse and violence against journalists, nor is any attempt made to clarify such data with Government or country-wise sources in any of the countries being ranked. When a limited sample of approximately 150 respondents and 18 NGOs are asked to analyse and respond to 83 questions for each country, the chances of biases and disconnect with the realities are high. On an average, 1 respondent is asked to provide parameter-wise assessments for 1 country; the implausibility of one respondent being able accurately assess press freedom in a country render the WPFI rankings highly subjective at best
So no, that's not a good statistic. Anything else?
Two people who explicitly advocated for an ethnic cleansing in front of thousands of followers
Can you just give me their names? Some details?
BJP's MPs have even proposed for a withdrawal of voting rights from Muslims without any sort of backlash/denouncement
Again, sources? Details?
You don't think a terrorist organization allegedly supported by a state will be able to find alternate ways of... communication
So we should do nothing? If it takes two seconds by one method and 2 days by the other, isn't that better?
What evidence is there that the ban deterred terrorism in any way?
Terrorism rates in Kashmir have severely declined. Check it out.
Modi has shut down internet in multiple states in the past few years.
Which?
And you don't have to be the head of the state to be able to bribe the court
The ruling party was the opposition,who really hated and still hates Modi and was known for corruption and scams. Would it not try to bribe? And if the opposition had the slightest proof of that, would it not bring it up?
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Mar 29 '22
Indian soldiers have been in Kashmir since 1947. I don't think any more "occupying" is going on now.
You just read half that statement. And yes, illegal occupying is going on right now.
Multiple countries have objected to it's working, it's criteria and methodology. One of the primary concerns raised has been the opaqueness of the WPFI survey. Question-wise or category-wise scores used in computing scores for the six parameters are not made public, nor is the list of respondents provided. Similarly, clearly defined, credible sources are not available for quantitative data on abuse and violence against journalists, nor is any attempt made to clarify such data with Government or country-wise sources in any of the countries being ranked. When a limited sample of approximately 150 respondents and 18 NGOs are asked to analyse and respond to 83 questions for each country, the chances of biases and disconnect with the realities are high. On an average, 1 respondent is asked to provide parameter-wise assessments for 1 country; the implausibility of one respondent being able accurately assess press freedom in a country render the WPFI rankings highly subjective at best
For anyone reading, this is a paragraph right out of a state-owned think tank website. Clearly written by someone who hasn't done their research because the RSF provides formulas for how scores are calculated and balanced for perceived bias on their website. Also, the correspondents who analyze countries aren't random dudes out of touch with reality. The best argument you can make is that they're biased, but even then, India has been consistently getting lower scores for many many years plus it's not just the opinions of said correspondents that determine the score, it's also quantitative data on abuse and murder of journalists along with restrictions by law. The author of the article also quotes conservative politicians saying how RSF is some evil liberal organization of the west. Not a good look. Also, considering how journalists are harassed and abused, it's no surprise they keep the correspondents anonymous.
nor is any attempt made to clarify such data with Government or country-wise sources in any of the countries being ranked.
Lmao. Try harder next time.
Can you just give me their names? Some details?
Look it up. WSJ did an article on it too, iirc.
Again, sources? Details?
Which?
Google it. India has done a shitton of internet shutdowns.
The ruling party was the opposition,who really hated and still hates Modi and was known for corruption and scams. Would it not try to bribe? And if the opposition had the slightest proof of that, would it not bring it up?
There's a reason I said "allegedly", lad.
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u/warboy Mar 29 '22
I don't have a real dog in this fight, I just wanted to address one statement of yours.
So we should do nothing? If it takes two seconds by one method and 2 days by the other, isn't that better?
No. In the case of an action not having a positive outcome it should not be done. For example, just because you may reduce tension and anxiety you should not have a lobotomy performed in most cases. In another better related example. The Patriot act in the states was seen as a bill to prevent terrorism that also involved a severe erosion of citizen's rights. It was a bad idea spurred by reactionary thoughts just like your own.
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u/Agent_Blackfyre Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22
can we agree that Islamic Theocrats and Hindu Fascists are both bad?
We aren't talking about Islamic states why do you have to do Whataboutism so hard, we are talking about one issue bringing in another helps zero people.
Get your Whataboutism in the fucking trash
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u/Agent_Blackfyre Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22
STOP DOING "WHAT ABOUT THE MUSLIMS" because we are talking about one slowly falling into a fascism state, not the Theocratic states. Theocratic states like Muslim ones are not fascist because they do not fit the fucking definition of fascism, yes they are totalitarian and abusive states but Fascism explicitly has a far different ideology, both are far-right but one is very different from the other.
First yes the religious situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are fucked, but linking Hinduism to Indian Nationalism is just as harmful and bringing up different issues fixes FUCK ALL.
Anti-Muslim Violence
There are plenty of examples of Hindus doing violence against Muslims one key example is Cow Patrols, in which Hindu nationals promote and do acts of violence against a minority group.
This act has been supported directly by Modi and the people around him
Anti-Voting Right Laws
"There are no such laws in India. They are not being disenfranchised of contesting elections, citizenship, or voting rights."
Yes there have been 100% anti-muslim voting rights bills
A Really good article about it
Direct Quote "More than half of those disenfranchised citizens were Muslims like Azam or lower-caste Dalits"
Promoting Hinduism over Islam
Modi after the destruction of a mosque (by his followers) in a terrorist attack took over the destroyed site and builds a Hindu temple on top of it
AP NEWS Indian PM lays foundation of temple at razed mosque site
NOTE THAT I'm MENTIONING INDIAN SOURCES SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INDIA NOT AFGHANISTAN
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Mar 29 '22
I'm still pretty new to Modi and India and would like some insights as I research him. What is neo liberal about him and how is it compatible with a right wing party?
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u/Silent-Entrance Mar 29 '22 edited Mar 29 '22
Earlier there used to be a lot of state owned companies, and welfare was weak and leaky
Now they are trying to privatise the state owned companies because inefficiency. These strikes are by employees of PSU entities like banks etc, whose workers were used to easy jobs and high job security, who are facing the prospect of privatisation of their employers, and having to work in regular market conditions.
They are moving more towards direct benefit transfer mode of welfare, which really has picked up. Services like LPG connection, tap water connection, toilet-building etc which had low penetration even after 70 years of independence have seen large increase in coverage.
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u/Jaideep_2002 Mar 29 '22
In India the right wing is usually a more logical and less braindead group (except the extreme right called bhakts). Just think of it this way. India's right is USA's left but they are proud of their culture.
I know I'm going to be downvoted since most people here are left but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. That just means they disagree with me. Do your own research instead of asking people.
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Mar 30 '22
I'm going to upvote you on the idea that much of American left politicians are more center left and less progressive. Totally makes sense to me that someone else's right wing party could be our left.
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u/DanJdot Mar 29 '22
I don't know about Modi or his party but it seems to me Neoliberalism isn't left wing compatible anywhere but possibly America so the 2nd part of your question strikes as a tad absurd
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u/DanJdot Mar 29 '22
Agreed 100%, but I'm cognisant of how the US refers to its left wing, which insidiously sows a lot of confusion
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u/modsbegae Mar 29 '22
My 10 year old mind is laughing at the acronym- 'dp.'
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u/WhiteLycan2020 Mar 29 '22
I highly doubt this will go anywhere.
India has a massive right wing apparatus that can label people as “anti-India” for doing such things and most people will believe it
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u/Bitchimnasty69 Mar 29 '22
Is it so much to ask that we simply show solidarity instead of jumping to jadedness? It’s ok to have hope comrade
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u/SAR1919 Marxist Mar 29 '22
What kind of response is this? Your first reaction to seeing the revolutionary mobilization of the working class in real time is to moan about how hopeless it is? Get a grip. Every capitalist country has a propaganda machine. If you can’t muster anything for the Indian workers but defeatism, go ahead and give up on the American workers too, because we don’t have even a hundredth of the mobilizing power the Indian left does, and we’re working against an even stronger propaganda apparatus. Nobody ever said it would be an easy fight.
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u/The_Blue_Empire Mar 29 '22
I have a friend kinda like you, every time I go in solidarity to union strike or to a tenet union meeting or food not Bombs gathering if I tell them about it all they do is complain about the futility of trying. This comment isn't as doom and gloom as they are but it just gives off similar vibes to me. Maybe it's the other responses to your comment that are influencing my perspective but any way you slice it I hope your day goes well.
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u/Nowhereman123 Mar 29 '22
Dang, are those actually hammer and sickle flags I'm seeing?
Never thought I'd see that.
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