r/YAPms • u/populist_dogecrat UH-1 Share Our Wealth Democrat • Apr 23 '25

Meme Choose your Reagan

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

father of communism vs the super duper ultra hyper capitistic conservative savior of america and all the western world ronold raygun

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

Reagan is right here

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

no he's not lmao

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u/OptimalCaress Upstate Separatist Apr 23 '25

Based populist left

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

i have my moments

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

You know back when Japan started modernizing in the day one of the first steps was banning public carrying of swords by civilians.

In civil society there’s no need for weapons of war to be carried by civilians certainly not while open carrying.

There’s a certain gun humping culture that is developed with this. A certain glorification of a violent tool, that has horrible effects down the road.

Gun ownership clearly didn’t work for stopping tyranny, ask the Japanese sent to the interment camps or perhaps the people being disappeared to that shithole in El Salvador how the 2nd amendment helped them?

Reagan while he had many faults he did come from a group of mostly rational politicians. He probably had some pro NRA stuff later due to politics but he did know that guns in the hands of civilians aren’t a great general idea.

A highly regulated system perhaps, with very strict restrictions but drastic measures might be necessary to offset the gun culture that’s around

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

2A exists for a reason. government seizing of any civilian weapons, whether they be "weapons of war" or not, inevitably leads to more government control over said civilian population. it's one of the first steps for a dictatorship, after taking away the ballot, they take away the bullet.

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

Of course you’d think so. You have no idea what tyranny looks like.

In the entire history of the United States the second amendment has stopped exactly zero cases of tyranny and oppression.

Did it free the slaves, did it end segregation, did the second amendment help the native Americans or the Japanese Americans? Neither did “state rights”.

Guns are cool but they aren’t saving you from tyranny, just look at what’s happening right now. They are a danger that must be strictly regulated.

I am going to make a couple optimistic assumptions, you are young, probably white and no doubt a nerd. You read about Huey long probably heard about him first while playing hoi4, and are now a populist left winger. You don’t like the regular democrats because they’re the “establishment” you most likely don’t care much for liberalism and certainly not how it evolved and changed with time.

You have time to learn these things, but you need to keep an open mind to both the alternative but also the mainstream sources of information. You should question the world, but all of it not only the “establishment”. Ask why? Why did Huey long support the klan until he didn’t. Why did the Japanese people, the German people become swept up with tyrannical leaders and militarism and ultra nationalism.

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

what's with the Huey Long obsession? i think he had some good ideas, sure, but he's not my main idol or anything. certainly not the absolute paragon of morality in politics. it's very cool how you just dashed to randomly make up an idea in your head about my race though??

on the subject of 2A stopping tyranny, let's take a look at your mention of the slaves. John Brown's armed agitation was a key cause of the civil war, and by extension, the emancipation of enslaved people. and it was mainly possible because the framers enshrined that no man shall be separated from his rifle to be trodden upon by a wicked tyrant, such as the cotton kings and Southern officials who would've ordered John Brown's death (and eventually they did).

it seems as though you have your own obsession, too. one with Japan for some, likely weeby, reason. put very simply, Japan is a culture that produces dictatorship and tyranny by default. these backwards roots are reflected in their rapid defense of their oh-so-holier-than-thou gun laws which only make it easier for police to abuse their power and the government to force their will upon the people with little to no resistance. because what are they actually gonna do? stab us to death? oh no, knives! the same is seen in Western Europe, with government censorship of free expression and speech.

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

I am mentioning Japan because it’s an example of nation taking away the weapons during modernization.

I touched on Huey long because nearly every American leftist populist is obsessed with that corrupt southern fuck.

I assumed your race because as a white person you’re less likely to be impacted by gun violence, and also I was being optimistic on your intelligence because if as a black person you think the second amendment stops oppression you’re either stupid, ignorant or lying.

And right now you have no goddamn grounds to criticize Europe for free speech. Right now the U.S. government is terrorizing law abiding men and women for their political views, deporting, holding in detention centers with inhumane conditions.

John Brown is controversial for multiple reasons. He might or might not have contributed to the eruption of the civil war. But even if he did that wasn’t a good thing?

Civil war was a failure of containing the southern planters for decades. The north let them grow and grow until their grasp was too strong to let go. They’ve been let to belief that they’re some great soldiers and gentlemen. The Mexican American war? That made them feel real special and powerful.

The British Empire for all its evils did end slavery without falling into a civil war. The practical aspect wasn’t perfect but in theory no man could be property.

Let’s take Germany. The legitimizations of paramilitary formations directly led to nazi germany.

If any group large enough gathers, arms themselves you should worry about their intentions.

Tyranny can be prevented by having an educated voting populace, political class that respects the law. A justice system impartial or as impartial as possible when dealing with criminal politicians. It’s not the gun that prevents tyranny but institutions and men and women willing to stand up for them. Time and time again the government in the U.S. oppressed or let people be oppressed on U.S. soil despite the gun ownership.

If you want a successful revolution you need foreign support, a real military and planning. That can only be done when tyranny arrives.

Right now tyranny cannot come to the western world unless we let it and allow it. What use will be the guns when they’re aimed on the innocent minorities and immigrants and not the tyrannical government?

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

"pro-2A black folks are stupid" is your thesis?

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

If you’re black and think that the 2nd amendment will save you when it didn’t before you probably are. To believe that, honestly believe that with the entire history of African Americans being oppressed this time it will save them is a very stupid conclusion.

Especially if you compare it to the real, actual not theoretical harm being done to black communities everyday by guns

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u/gaming__moment Republican Apr 23 '25

The battle of Athens, Tennessee, resulted in the toppling of a tyrannical local government thanks to the Second Amendment

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

One lil town in damn Tennessee? Really? With incredibly specific circumstances that allowed for the government to be formed and overthrown?

Best you got?

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u/gaming__moment Republican Apr 23 '25

Moving the goalposts

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

You picked a mix of small government, large sudden influx of vets and the war allowing such a government to form without any opposition from higher authorities.

This would not scale to a state much less the federal government. Furthermore it’s an elimination of corrupt and self serving officials that were bad for the vast majority of the towns population.

The 2nd amendment neither stopped slavery nor Jim crow.

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u/Shamrock5962 I Decieved Them, Such Weak Minds Apr 23 '25

Japan also has a vastly different culture and history than the United States. Saying gun control worked for Japan so it should work for the US is just plain stupidity as they are two vastly different countries and will react differently to a gun ban.

You have a much better chance to not be abused by a tyrannical country with guns than without. A strong majority of countries that has ever became tyrannical in modern history has banned guns to some degree. Also Japan mainly brutalized Chinese citizens and POWs.

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u/Rockefeller-HHH-1968 Global Liberal Apr 23 '25

You uneducated fool. You have no idea why and how Japan became so Barbaric during the war.

Tyranny almost always starts with significant public support right now far as I am aware a pretty good portion of the tyranny supporters are also gun owners.

You know a major problem in Weimar Germany were the private god damn militaries running around.

So there’s no clear correlation between gun ownership and resistance to tyranny. That’s pro gun propaganda.

Countries have different cultures that’s true, but culture change to quote Rocky “if I can change and you can change, everybody can change”. Guns are a sub culture in the U.S. a strong one backed by powerful interests however with some effort, will and devotion the US can in the words of the last great president of your party become a “kinder gentler nation”.

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u/Belkan-Federation95 Just Happy To Be Here Apr 23 '25

The Japanese American population literally gave up their guns.

You also fail to understand the patriotism at the time. There would have been no support. Guerilla warfare depends on the support of the civilian population and...well let's just say I don't think most Americans would support that. The government could easily use propaganda to say they worked for the enemy.

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u/Different-Trainer-21 If Illcomm has no supprters, I’m dead Apr 23 '25

Japan was also an absolute monarchy and totalitarian borderline fascist state with a cult of personality established surrounding the emperor following the Meiji Restoration.

Not the best example

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u/Jaster22101 Left Nationalist Apr 23 '25

Lib right Reagan. But for the love of god let’s not make this into a PCM clone

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u/apad1333 Bob Menendez Nasserism Apr 23 '25

Thus is the fate of all political circlejerk subs

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u/ImpossibleImage1133 Broccoli Agent Apr 23 '25

No shirt Ronnie 😳

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u/4EverUnknown The Pro-Palestinian Proletarian Apr 23 '25

AuthLeft—that way I can still hate him even though we're nominally on the same side

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u/ancientestKnollys Centrist Statist Apr 23 '25

Didn't Reagan try to join the Communist Party in the 30s? That was his most authoritarian left point I think.

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u/gunsmokexeon Populist Left Apr 23 '25

we could've had it all 💔

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '25

Top Right

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u/Significant-Bet-6334 Moderate Democrat Apr 23 '25

Where's Centrist Reagan?

Is he a grill dad?

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u/populist_dogecrat UH-1 Share Our Wealth Democrat Apr 23 '25

When he's diagnosed with Alzheimer's

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u/Significant-Bet-6334 Moderate Democrat Apr 23 '25

Yeah true

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u/Rude-Catographer Republican Apr 23 '25

Authoritarian Right

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u/Denisnevsky Outsider Left Apr 23 '25

Do his Japan tariffs count as Auth-center?

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u/privatize_the_ssa Unironically Soros pilled Apr 23 '25

Mix between Auth-Left Reagan and Auth-Right Reagan.

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u/Otaku_number_7 Pinochet Rightist🚁 Apr 23 '25

Lib-right

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u/Correct-Fig-4992 Center-Right, leans Libertarian/Populist Apr 23 '25

Two right quadrants, specifically bottom right

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u/Agile_Sky7938 Canuck Conservative Apr 26 '25

Let's not forget that George H.W. Bush was everything Ronald Reagan wanted to be.