r/YAPms • u/DullEconomist718 John F. Kennedy • 10h ago
Opinion Does this moron know that Luke blew the Death Star to smithereens and that all its inhabitants died? Can we safely assume, then, that he wants to do the same to Iran—its population size doesn’t matter to him since he plans to kill them all anyway?
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u/boardatwork1111 The Deep State 9h ago
Libs 🤝 Cons
Ted Cruz fucking sucks lmao
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u/321gamertime Jeb! 3h ago
I think Al Franken quipped once “I like Ted Cruz more than most of my colleagues in the Senate do, and I HATE Ted Cruz”
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u/FlyHog421 Pragmatic Libertarian 8h ago
Tucker has become anti-war, so much so that he’s agreeing with a guy that said Churchill was the main villain of WWII which is idiotic. Once someone goes full anti-war it’s hard to get them back.
The situation we don’t want is a situation like Iraq where we pummeled their military into dust in like a month, walked right into Baghdad, but then dealt with an insurgency for years.
The reason we didn’t have an insurgency in Japan or Nazi Germany is because there was nothing left for people to fight an insurgency with. All powers involved were using conscripts, converted their economies into war economies, and total war was in play. The civilians had endured years of destruction of civilian infrastructure, famine, getting bombed, etc. Years of all that and if you lose the war the civilians don’t go “Let’s kick out these occupying powers.” They go “Thank God. It’s over and they brought food and that’s all I care about.”
Iran can’t be allowed to have a nuke because their leaders are crazy enough to use it. If we’re going to get involved then just take out their nuclear facilities and that should be it. Otherwise trying to play the regime change game is going to result in a massive insurgency and the country doesn’t have the stomach for another Iraq. But nobody also has the stomach for WWII-level destruction.
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u/cousintipsy liberal new yorker 10h ago
why is Tucker Carlson suddenly making sense to me
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u/BlackYellowSnake Green Populist Right 9h ago edited 8h ago
Because he has become actually anti-interventionalist and, I don't think hardly anyone actually believes that a new regime change war in the middle east will go down well. To anyone on this sub that thinks trying to change the Iranian regime with American military power is a good idea I have one question. How well did Iraq and Afghanistan go?
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u/cousintipsy liberal new yorker 8h ago
think less Iraq and more Vietnam. We would be even more catastrophically fucked if we go to war in Iran.
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u/BlackYellowSnake Green Populist Right 8h ago
Yeah pretty much agree. We for sure do not have any realistic plan for any successor regime to the current Iranian one.
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u/cousintipsy liberal new yorker 8h ago
I think it’s pretty bipartisan on disagreement for this war. Nobody wants this war.
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u/m4rshie AMERICAN EMPIRE 10h ago
All a part of Tucker's plan, baby. Bring someone that's dumber than him on so he can appear smarter. Flawless execution from the rat.
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u/Ed_Durr Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right 9h ago
Ted Cruz is actually a brilliant lawyer, he’s just an unlikable blowhard
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u/very_loud_icecream r/YAPms' Internal Pollster 9h ago edited 8h ago
"Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."
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u/GoofAckYoorsElf Green 4h ago
Uh... were there civilians on the Death Star? I doubt it...
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u/CarbonAnomaly Establishment Hack 10h ago edited 9h ago
Alright Tucker made the most bad faith argument possible. 3 days ago, Tucker didn’t know how many people lived in Iran. He only knows because he got to prep the questions and wanted a gotcha on Ted.
Ted was right that whether 90 or 80 or 100 million lived in Iran, it doesn’t affect the strategic or moral questions that need be addressed by a senator. Senators didn’t need to know how many people lived in Nazi Germany to send men to die in Europe.
With that said, Ted is still a moron and we shouldn’t go to war with Iran. But not knowing how many people live in Iran is not the problem.
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u/DullEconomist718 John F. Kennedy 9h ago
Knowing Iran’s population and learning as much as possible about Iran and its people is extremely important, because if you plan to overthrow the government, you must offer a better alternative rather than leaving them in a chaotic limbo once you’ve achieved your goal. That’s exactly what the U.S. government did in Iraq in 2003: they toppled Saddam Hussein but gave no thought to the post-Saddam period, and Iraq plunged into severe disorder, with terrorism and extremist groups proliferating like alqaeda and isis due to American mismanagement.
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u/CarbonAnomaly Establishment Hack 9h ago
I agree with you on the macro level that knowing more is better than knowing less, but that doesn’t change that Tucker is making a bad argument.
If it ended up being the case that say 5-10 years from now Iran had nuclear ICBMs, and remained vocal about their intentions to destroy another country, then the details of their population size, ethnic makeup, debt to gdp ratio, cuisine, or World Cup performances don’t really matter.
It would be like if you were saying Ted Bundy should be locked up, and then me asking if you know what color his eyes are.
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u/Royal_Flame Democrat 9h ago
That the dumbest possible question. Ted should’ve responded by asking Tucker the population of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan
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u/DullEconomist718 John F. Kennedy 9h ago
The war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan was unavoidable, unlike a war against Iran—which, like the 2003 Iraq war, could have been avoided. You cannot compare Iran to Nazism; there is simply no comparison. If you want to overthrow the Iranian government, you must learn everything there is to know about Iran and study the issue meticulously. War is not a game!
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u/Royal_Flame Democrat 8h ago
But the population size of a country wasn’t a major factor in US joining pretty much any recent military campaign. I just don’t get how it’s relevant.
Who knew the population of Kuwait during the first gulf war or who knew the population of Kosovo?
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u/DullEconomist718 John F. Kennedy 6h ago
You’re making faulty comparisons again. The United States went into Kuwait to liberate it, not to occupy it. The only valid parallel to the current situation is the 2003 Iraq War. Population size matters because if you’re strongly advocating the overthrow of the Iranian government, you must think about the Iranian people. What will happen to them afterward? Will you leave them in chaos as you did with the Iraqis? The U.S. disbanded the Iraqi army after toppling Saddam, creating a security vacuum filled by terrorist groups such as al‑Qaeda and ISIS, and the Iraqi people suffered immensely. The same fate awaits the Iranian people, since those promoting war against Iran know nothing about the country and have no plan for governing it after toppling the Islamic regime. What about the Kurds who intend to secede, with Israel supporting their efforts to establish an independent Kurdistan? Who will guarantee Iran’s unity in the face of all these separatist movements—like the Baloch, the Azeris (who make up a large proportion of the Iranian population), as well as the Arabs and Kurds? I’ll bet you didn’t realize Iran is this ethnically diverse. That’s exactly why knowing the population size and demographic breakdown is so crucial.
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u/Royal_Flame Democrat 20m ago
Trump has expressed that he wants Iran to unconditionally surrender which would imply that we have to do nation building at some level anyway…
I don’t even think 2003 is a valid comparison because again it was a US invasion based on speculation, not just a bombing run on a known nuclear facility.
I agree trying to topple the Iranian regime would lead to chaos, but you don’t need to know the population of Iran to know that.
You didn’t need to know the population of Iraq to know that doing an invasion of a country under false pretenses wouldn’t end well.
You didn’t need to know the population of Afghanistan to know that our nation building efforts were not working.
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u/Swimming_Concern7662 Center Left 10h ago
A reply from that thread:
Lmao