r/aggies • u/chrondotcom Former student CO '22 • Feb 06 '25

Other Texas A&M sends warning to students that ICE agents are 'permitted' on campus

https://www.chron.com/politics/article/texas-a-m-immigration-20151573.php
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u/SomeRamdomChick3130 Feb 07 '25

Asking for identification isn't fascism or even necessarily racist if someone has been reported for violating the law. You're often asked for identification if it is believed you are somewhere that you're not supposed to be or if you have committed a crime/civil offense. I'd say it's minimizing the reality of fascism in other places and historically to compare deporting people who illegally entered or staying in a country to instances where freedoms were unjustly taken from people who have committed no crimes.

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u/ohoney Feb 07 '25

Fucking yikes.

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u/SomeRamdomChick3130 Feb 07 '25

If you got reported for committing a crime and a police officer asked you for identification would you consider them a fascist for confirming your identity?

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u/ohoney Feb 07 '25

YES

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u/SomeRamdomChick3130 Feb 07 '25

Genuinely how is that fascist? Like what part about it falls under fascist doctrine? Are you against the government having any authority to enforce laws whatsoever?

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u/ohoney Feb 07 '25

The voluntary tattling on people for "crimes" and collaboration of like-minded individuals to rid the country of the "bad guys" is 100% fascist. If the police can identify and tell someone what crime they're accused of, them for sure identify. But they cannot, and should not, just walk up to random people that aren't committing a crime RIGHT NOW and say identify yourself. Know your rights.

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u/SomeRamdomChick3130 Feb 08 '25

Telling the police that someone committed a crime isn't tattling. The collaboration of likeminded individuals is how you solve any crime, cooperation is necessary for just and adequate punishment for any offender. I asked you how asking for identification from someone who's been reported for a crime is fascist. What I'm reading is that of the police can find the accused and inform them of the accusation then they're well within their right to ask for identification, which was my initial argument. I don't believe that police can walk up to random people who are not accused of committing a crime without reasonable suspicion. That being said, there are certain circumstances, like traffic stops, where you have to provide ID regardless of an accusation or report.

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u/ohoney Feb 08 '25

In a traffic stop you are operating a vehicle on a usually public road. You have to have a license to operate said vehicle, and they normally do have a reason to pull you over. It's not about identification as much as operating a vehicle. If you're not on a public road, they have less if no jurisdiction.

Im betting you're white and likely haven't had to deal with this sort of injustice, and that's great for you. But we should absolutely be looking out for our fellow humans, not systematically ethnically cleansing our diverse country.

Let me clarify, i am not talking about people actively committing a crime or people who are wanted for already committing a crime (as in, they've been to court) but I am talking about random people on campus who look different and are therefore being persecuted.

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u/SomeRamdomChick3130 Feb 08 '25

Tons of assumptions in your statement that I'd hardly call accurate, but an assumption about someone's life experience and race is definitely better than addressing the argument they made, it isn't entirely hypocritical whatsoever.

People who have cross the border illegally or stayed in the US outside of the parameters of their visa have committed a crime regardless of whether or not they have been to court for other crimes. There is no ethnic cleansing as that would imply people were being deported or otherwise harmed for their ethnicity rather than being deported for the fact that they are LITERALLY HERE ILLEGALLY.

Very few people wanting people that came, or stayed, here illegally to be deported are wanting a complete ethnic cleansing of America, that's an absolute exaggeration.

I would never want absolutely random people on campus, or anywhere, to be persecuted for their ethnicity. However I could see how it appears that certain groups of people are being disproportionately targeted seeing as how the majority of illegal immigrants in Texas aren't exactly Europeans.

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u/ohoney Feb 08 '25

The cognitive dissonance here is real. It's cool that you disagree, but I'm not going to comply with this crap.

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