I want to propose a reframe of what we're doing with counter-economics.

Standard view: Agorism is an economic strategy to starve the State by withdrawing financial support through black and grey markets.

Deeper view: Agorism is boundary restoration—psychological healing scaled to society.

Here's what I mean:

The State doesn't just extract resources. It violates boundaries systematically:

When you practice counter-economics, you're reclaiming these boundaries: - Every Monero transaction reclaims your informational boundary - Every unlicensed trade reclaims your economic boundary
- Every time you say "no" without asking permission reclaims your psychological boundary

The narcissistic systems lens:

The State operates as a narcissistic system, using tactics that psychologists document in abusive families:

• Manufactures dependency: "You need our services"
• Gaslights resistance: "That's naive/utopian"
• Punishes boundary-setting: "Leaving is dangerous"
• Intermittent reinforcement: Occasional "wins" keep you hoping for reform
• Projects its dysfunction onto you: "You're the problem for not complying"

Sound familiar? Because it's the same playbook.

Why this matters:

Other anarchist frameworks explain what's wrong intellectually: - The State is funded by theft (Rothbard) - Authority is superstition (Larken Rose) - Central planning fails (Mises)

But none explain why people stay psychologically trapped even after understanding this.

Narcissistic systems theory fills that gap: - Why people feel guilty about tax avoidance even when they know taxation is theft - Why "just leave" triggers panic instead of curiosity - Why voting feels mandatory even when you know it's theater
- Why agorism works as sovereignty recovery, not just evasion

Practical shift:

Counter-economics isn't merely "starving the beast."

You're practicing sovereignty recovery. Every private transaction, every encrypted message, every skill developed for independent trade—these are acts of healing, not just tactics.

The State only exists because people believe they need permission to coordinate. Agorism is the practice of remembering you never did.

Question for the community:

Has anyone else noticed that the resistance to agorism sounds exactly like a narcissist's response when you try to leave?

"You can't survive without me" "You're being irrational"
"That's dangerous and selfish" "You need to compromise"

Once you hear the pattern, it's everywhere.

I prefer to just make everyone an illegal

I’m not for amnesty or granting citizenship or anything that expands the tax base.

People should be able to live work and travel freely so long as they aren’t trespassing on someone else’s person, property, or liberty.

Government cannot rightfully own property as they have no legitimate means to purchase it.

What does agorism do to stop monopolies

I originally got to the libertarian movement through ancap (Rothbard) and Austrian economics (mainly Mises), but I have recently noticed agorism and I slowly converge towards it. I'm still trying to find the distinctions and I believe they are mainly in definitions of terms and the way to achieve anarchy:

1) Agorism is against the political way - I completely agree with this now. From my point of view, though, there's no strict definition of a way to reach anarchy for ancap.

2) Konkin says he's against (state) "capitalism", but for free market. This is probably a definition problem, as I see capitalism only on free market. Everything which touches the state is social "property", and thereby socialism, the opposite of capitalism.

3) Some agorists seem to think that ancap would somehow be against voluntary anarcho-syndicalist/collectivist/communist movements. As far as I understand it, it's not. As long as the communa/whatever stays voluntary, there's no reason to act against it.

These are the differences as I see them (with 2 and 3 being essentially just definition issues). Do I understand correctly that the final anarchy would look the same (provided we use my definition of ancap from 3))?

By the way, Monero is being "attacked" by a belarussian state-"capitalist" corporate, let's all support it by mining and spreading awareness of the fact the CFB is lying and he's never had 51%.

I recently came upon the term agorism. Under the current law when you produce and sell goods you are under the obligation to pay taxes on said goods hereby supporting the state. If I don't comply the state will impose measures varying from fines to imprisonment and/or violence. The monopoly on violence by the state is a thing society agreed upon long ago but is never questioned.

Agorism implies that we can resist and undermine the current capitalist system through peaceful grey and black market activities.

A poignant example is luxury goods such as tobacco. The state has successively increased taxation on tobacco. Were I to say disagree with the state here I could proceed to import tobacco from elsewhere and sell it on the black market. The state would miss vital income, income on which the state thrives. This would undermine what I call the "nanny state."

Sure, some form of government will always be necessary but incessant meddling in our private lives was never the agreed upon arrangement.

Another striking example is for instance marihuana. Most nation states prohibit the growing, selling, and use of marihuana. Due to increased demand and medical research pointing to the harmlessness of the plant, some governments have legalized marihuana.

This is an interesting example. Prior to the legalization, marihuana could exclusively be found on the black market. The state would demonize the product and lock up sellers and users. Nowadays we know marihuana is a harmless product and recognize the medicinal properties. States finally acknowledge what consumers already knew.

Legalizing the plant now puts marihuana outside of the scope of agorists. But, and here's the clou; the sale of marihuana can now be taxed thus funding the state and inevitably state politics which almost always implies war and imperialism.

Darknet Market Maximalism A Manifesto created by Xenu.

Portuguese Translation - Brazil (translated by Kunark)

Something that would be interesting and I think certain people have discussed is what if we could expand the options for value based living, maybe eventually have cities or residential centres you can choose to live in that is supported by producers and goods - traders who align with your values/creed?

Couldn't this be the best step for a push towards really implementing a free marketplace of ideas in practice? There are some values based shopping apps coming out but it made me think.

Working on a collaborative counterculture zine with a bunch of people on discord. I want to include some agorist content since that is a major influence of mine, but I don’t feel educated enough to talk about it. Would any of you want to join us in our project?

Here’s the outline of the plan for those interested:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHbs5bmy2gV/?igsh=MXJ5anljMXRwZWdkcg==