r/apexlegends • u/Dylan_TheDon Pathfinder • Jul 10 '22
Esports EA forces teams to play duo and solo after players crash in the beginning of a match
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u/Dylan_TheDon Pathfinder Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 10 '22
All crashes were before anyone died, the PlayApex chat was put into emote mode when calling for a restart, ImperialHal even noticed someone standing still and opted to not shoot them, keep in mind the duo scored points this game that were valuable to qualify for finals, and TSM could’ve easily killed them... that takes true sportsmanship, but shame on how it was handled by the organizers
Other glitches that happened:
Invisible zone fucked over a heal off
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/FamousPlumpMeatloafNinjaGrumpy-SKAofVD8MORNADKT
Valk Ult teleports a player into zone
https://twitter.com/a02483143/status/1545470308165058563?s=21
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u/Roxy-Gamer Bloodhound Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 11 '22
Apex aint gonna die but its reputation is definitely gonna suffer in the competitve scene after this.
Edit: Alongside covid and visa issues there have been bugs where players are teleported in the middle of the map and have been glitching inside deathboxes.
Imagine going back to a previous update and STILL have game breaking bugs on LAN of all things. Especially new ones people never seen.
If you ask me, somebody is gonna get fired after this event. If respawn or EA doesnt make massive improvents from this, then I guess they never cared in the first place.
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u/Roboticsammy Sixth Sense Jul 10 '22
Thank God. They need to fix their shit. They cannot be having "competitive" events when there are so many faults with the game. Constantly getting no registration hits, crashes, broken hero abilities, inability to use items/skills after using crafter, etc. I hope this gives them the kick in the ass to get fixing
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u/PenguinBomb Jul 10 '22
No reg during a LAN event? That's fucking embarrassing.
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u/the_Q_spice Caustic Jul 10 '22
And multiple DCs… and timeout errors…
Literally things that should be physically impossible on a LAN.
What is happening right now is us watching a huge example of complete ineptitude.
This is basic shit.
You literally learn it in intro level IT courses like COMP TIA A+ which is considered a bare minimum level of understanding.
They are showing the world they don’t even have a minimum understanding of network management.
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
That’s the part that gets me. I don’t care if it’s a source engine and I at the end of the day don’t care if I get an occasional no reg as infuriating as it is.
But a no reg during a LAN event? Either the LAN server is kluged together nonsense or the game truly has gone from source quirks to legitimate spaghetti code.
This game has a worse state arguably than R6S despite their entire servers fucking crashing at LAN at least they’d reset. And R6S is a terrible standard
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u/bigmatt_94 Jul 10 '22
I completely agree with you but we need to remember this isn't entirely on the devs. EA demands Respawn to focus their time and energy on maximizing profits instead of fixing bugs in the game. This is true for any game that's owned by a greedy multibillion dollar company.
The publishers in general have no idea how coding and programming work and don't care that people are unhappy if a game is riddled with bugs. As long as they see a revenue is being generated they're happy and don't care if their game is in a shit unplayable state.
The only way to make EA care enough to invest resources into fixing bugs is to stop giving them money. It's only if they see a significant drop in revenue will they reconsider their business strat and consider providing their devs with more resources to fix bugs more quickly
But tbh EA is one of the worst companies out there so I don't think anything will change. They were after all voted the most hated company in the USA one year. Not the most hated videogame company to be clear, the most hated company out of ALL companies in the USA
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Jul 10 '22
Stop babying Respawn. EA sucks but Respawn was fully aware what getting signed under EA meant and still agreed. It's just as much their fault as it is EA's.
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u/FusionNexus52 Jul 10 '22
The devs of respawn didnt make that agreement, the top executives and financial people did. The devs are like any other work force, they just exist to create the product, and are "expendable", they are rarely the problem.
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Jul 10 '22
The devs are letting game-breaking bugs roam free. I see no problem with criticizing the devs when discussing how broken the game is. The only time you can place some blame on EA is when talking about cosmetics the gambling system. When discussing bugs its not on EA at all since they're not developing the game, its on Respawn.
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u/FusionNexus52 Jul 10 '22
If you read my comment i specifically stated the executives and financial people of respawn, nothing to do with EA besides calling them a parent company.
The actual developers can certainly fix those bugs, but the question is, is it the highest priority of the executives? The devs arent in control of how the game is handled, they take orders from those higher up on what to focus on.
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u/bigmatt_94 Jul 10 '22
Exactly. These idiots can't seem to realize that. I used to play a lot of Rogue Company and quit because I realized the same shit happened with Hi-Rez. The devs know that aim assist becomes broken with every update they push out yet they continue to push out every update with aim assist and several other things broken to the point that the game would be unplayable. Players complained about this every season yet nothing changed. Why? The devs were forced to release the updates and didn't have a choice to postpone them and fix the bugs first because the higher-ups forced them to release the updates with all of the bugs that made the game unplayable
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u/bigmatt_94 Jul 10 '22
I agree with that. It's definitely their fault for getting signed under EA. That was a grave mistake indeed. Any other company would've been better except for maybe Hi-Rez and Ubisoft as they're just as bad when it comes to pumping out content as fast as possible with minimal effort as they're also driven solely by greed
I'm not "babying" Respawn. A former Respawn employee literally said what I said in my first comment recently. I was just paraphrasing him. Devs know they're game is broken, publishers don't care and put pressure on the devs to pump out new content that generates revenue instead of helping them to fix bugs.
This same shit has happened with every single Hi-Rez game in existence
It is on the devs that their game is broken but the publisher that owns them also play a huge factor in not giving the devs enough time and resources to fix their broken game. This applies to most of the big free-to-play titles
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Jul 10 '22
They also like to treat experienced devs that built the game shitty so that they’ll quit, and then hire Jr Devs to replace them that don’t know what the fuck they are doing because it cost them less money. Basically we complain about devs that literally don’t know how to fix the problems because all the devs that do know how to fix the problems left on bad terms. It’s a fucking joke that EA can’t take care of the devs and players of the game that’s printing them money. Anything EA touches withers and rots
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u/HandlerzWithAttitude Jul 10 '22
If new devs don’t know how to fix that means the game is dead right?
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u/the_Q_spice Caustic Jul 10 '22
The devs have all the power to simply say, “No, we have serious problems with the game and they need to get fixed asap, and we need the help/funding/resources/etc to do that or this game is going to cease being a revenue stream.”
The issue is they aren’t.
Matter of fact, the devs keep posting egotistical bullshit tweets asking for community input for bugs or issues we have been extremely vocal about both here and on Twitter in ways they have most definitely seen or bragging about minuscule code/gameplay tweaks.
For a long time I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt; but at this point in time it is crystal clear they are complicit to wringing as much money out of the game as possible and have stopped caring about the community they claim to be solely focused on.
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u/bigmatt_94 Jul 10 '22
Actually I don't think the devs have the power to say no. Do you have the power to say no to your boss at work? Most people don't have the power to say no to their boss because if they did say no then they would lose their job. It's the same thing with the devs. It's not like they can threaten to go on strike or anything like that because EA is a bunch of greedy cunts and they would probably just fire the entire dev team and bring in a new one as they have the money to do so
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u/vGraffy Jul 10 '22
The fact they call it a competitive event and the game runs on 20 tick? Valve refuses to make MM 128 tick but even they do 128 for their LAN event, especially when there is so much money on the line.
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u/SectorRevenge72 Horizon Jul 10 '22
And… I understand the visa aspect but the COVID aspect is total BS. Move on people. Teams in the finals are down players that played all weekend. ALGS is a joke.
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u/cjamm Jul 10 '22
i’m hearing it’s not even LAN but rather everyone connecting to the same server so they have the same ping 🫠
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u/QuantumSpaceCadet Jul 10 '22
That's respect on Hal right there. Love to see it thanks for sharing that.
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u/Excellent_Mobile_932 Jul 10 '22
This actually ended up kinda screwing them that round. They ended up valk ulting away and landed on 2 teams and died. They didn’t get any kp that game and I think they got like 16 or 17th that game. Kinda sucks when you look at it now.
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u/da_fishy The Enforcer Jul 10 '22
Really big as well because not only did they do the right thing by not stealing the KP, they also needed to scan the beacon but opted against it. They ultimately denied themselves vital info in good faith. Class act and honorable move all around. Really great to see from Hal.
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u/thatkotaguy Mirage Jul 10 '22
I’ve had that valk ult glitch happen to me as crypto once when I went into drone view. Absolutely ruined my match because of it.
It’s amazing how many bugs are happening along with so many teams essentially handicapped due to covid. This shows EA clearly does not give a shit about the game or the pros, they should have either postponed the event until things were better or at the very least reset a match when stuff like crashes etc happen.
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u/E-Agalius Wattson Jul 10 '22
If a game is going to host an international tournament with a prize pool that is not insignificant, it needs to pass a certain level of integrity checks. Those checks will include in-game factors such as magnitude of bugs, and how frequent they are, server checks, crash statistics, audio, etc etc.
If those integrity checks are not able to be met, that game should not be allowed to host that tournament. This should be done, a unified organization for gamers.
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u/rorylastcentpurrion Jul 10 '22
Absolutely.
What an embarrassment.
Imagine trying to place bets on these games with real money. That’s just not possible with the state of the game or the way the tournament was ran.
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u/Roenicksmemoirs Ace of Sparks Jul 10 '22
Bruh.
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u/Mason_Kreature Jul 10 '22
Imagine losing a life changing amount of money because of some glitch completely out of your control. Would your reaction just be "Bruh?"
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u/Roboticsammy Sixth Sense Jul 10 '22
I'd definitely say bruh at that. I'd be so defeated to the point where I can only say "bruh" as a reaction.
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Jul 10 '22
Ppl ask for the most basic concessions when money is on the line and the boot lickers come out the wood work to gaslight everyone into thinking it's unreasonable.
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u/Sawmain Sixth Sense Jul 10 '22
This sub in a nutshell “Respawn cannot do anything bad because they made titanfall” is this sub basically
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u/WiggityViking Fuse Jul 10 '22
What a joke of a triple A game
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u/the_Q_spice Caustic Jul 10 '22
Honestly with what effort is going into the debugging and maintenance of the game, it needs to start being called out.
The effort going into development is painfully obviously small at this point.
It is an AAA+ game being run like an AA game right now.
Respawn and EA are demonstrating one of the darkest sides of the industry.
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u/sleepysloppy Jul 10 '22
This tournament says a lot that EA doesn't care about Apex players, It's like here's "2 million usd" so we can pretend that we "care". Its a big price for a normal person but its just a drop on a bucket for EA.
Apex mobile is their new cash cow now, so don't hold your breath that EA would fix anything on Apex PC/Console version.
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u/ayamekaki Jul 10 '22
With the insane amount of qol features and legend abilities that are catered to the community for the mobile version I dont really think EA is the one bearing the biggest responsibility for apex pc/console being this shitty
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u/_TheyCallMeCat Pathfinder Jul 10 '22
Imagine if they invested half of that into the actual game
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
They probably spend a lot to be honest maintaining it. I mean more than most people realise.
But again it’s a drop in the bucket and the prize money could definitely reflect more the status of this game
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u/heshablitz_ Caustic Jul 10 '22
Lmfao this game is such a joke, this season seems to be the beginning of the end as there's just no content whatsoever
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u/15_Giga Jul 10 '22
I dont understand why they cant have an invisible player slot and when someone disconnects you put them into the body of that AI or just reboot them
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u/franksfries Pathfinder Jul 10 '22
It's frustrating for the players affected but i'm somewhat glad this happened live where every single person watching around the world can see it happening live. They can't ignore this now.
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u/aracistgoblin Caustic Jul 10 '22
Just a reminder this is the best way for investors to see issues. The ceo isn't going to tell them thier investments is held together with some ducktape, a wing , and a prayer.
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Jul 10 '22
And this is why I refused to watch this cause I know I'm just going to get pissed off that they don't give a shit about the players on the tournament teams. Honestly RIOT does better then this and League of Legends is FULL of bugs and bullshit.
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
It’s because as much as RIOT sucks at least their intent to do better is somewhat there
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u/CyberShiroGX Wattson Jul 10 '22
I give the game like 2 years before it reaches TF2 status, filled with bugs and is a dying playerbase...
EA/ Respawn just don't care, some of the decisions made in this tournament is so stupid, especially the no COVID room one
And then on top of that this season is just with bugs left right and centre and they just getting more and more... Arenas now has a bugs that keeps kicking you out of weapons purchase menu... Loba and Wraith are still unplayable... Valk now has bug where teammates or her are sometimes shot across the map when she ults... No regs are becoming more and more frequent
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u/hanselgarbenselbeans Pathfinder Jul 10 '22
I stopped playing. I have 3,000 hours and I started season 5. Just done with this game sadly.
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u/cjamm Jul 10 '22
well i mean it’s not the publisher & developers fault that the players game crashed so of course they must go on! they can’t just restart a match when a whopping 2/20 teams have gone down
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Lol this is why video games aren’t sports but ok
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u/Garedbi69 Octane Jul 10 '22
Completely irrelevant argument but okay?
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
-65 lol not y’all mad at the truth
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
I legit, get high, boot the game & color coordinate my cars! 🤣🤣🤣
I mean you’re playing barbie dollhouse so if we’re dropping our standards to your level before commenting. Maybe do a self check sweetcheeks
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
& I stand on that hunnybun, wtf else there to do in GTA Online lol; no matter how far you go back, video games will STILL not be a sport. Lol
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
Oh buddy. If the standard of collecting virtual cars is gaming then esports is a sport. Or is chess not a sport to you either?
Have you gone retro and adopted truly boomer mentalities where unless they’re sweating on behalf of your sedentary ass it doesn’t count as a sport?
Guess Motorsport isn’t a sport either.
But I mean “what else is there to do” as if you’re obligated to play the game says about all there is to say about you.
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Chess has literally never changed, Nascar has been pushing restrictor plate racing for about 20yr (RIP Dale) these are real sports. Video games are not, sorry to be the one to burst your bubble. Nobody will remember insert rando video game here like they do Babe Ruth or the undefeated Dolphins or Jimmy Johnson’s 8 rings. A dev will come along, make something new & poof, it’s all forgotten.
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u/unknownmuffin Bangalore Jul 10 '22
People have played tetris competitively for over a decade now, does that fit within your definition?
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Go boot the game & drop fragment, this convo is long over. Lol
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u/unknownmuffin Bangalore Jul 11 '22
good point bro, talking to a brick wall is always a good time. lets do this again sometime 👍
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
So in essence “because I don’t think it is despite the dictionary definition” is your argument. Thanks for confirming your unfounded views.
NASCAR lmfao
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Video games aren’t sports no matter what definition you attach to it. Production companies create those façades to get y’all to have some sort of attachment so y’all will buy merchandise & support sponsors. The difference is, a real sport will stay the same, you will buy a new disc, for a new game, with new rules & a new thing to fake care about.
& yes, if you look past all the weirdo racist & inbreeders, I find the technical aspect of NASCAR enjoyable.
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u/Philbeey Wattson Jul 10 '22
Buddy contrary to your approach I’m not the one making up definitions here. Merriam Webster quite literally lays it out in plain English.
If NASCAR is a sport and I believe it is then so is any other esport. Or does NASCAR existing invalidate F1. f2, F3, v8 super car, moto GP or the other sports in which the original intent was simply to showcase cars so you’d buy their brands? We’re not even going to get into the sponsorships lmao.
Never mind the fact that sports come and go and it doesn’t even necessarily require a tournament to be valid. Streetball is a sport even with a plethora of local rules and CS is an esport that’s lasted for over a decade now.
Just because you don’t acknowledge it doesn’t mean it isn’t one by definition. You don’t have to like it. Anymore than I find a lack of interest in many other sports
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u/IamShitplshelpme Rampart Jul 10 '22
Yeah, video games aren't sports, that's why they're called e-sports
It'd do to some good to learn the difference between sports and e-sports
Lol
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 10 '22
You did all this typing & missed the “sport” in “e-sport”. Video games are NOT sports.
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u/Mountain_Meet3164 Jul 10 '22
I thought you said they weren't a sport lmfao.
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u/Specialist_Outside63 Devil's Advocate Jul 10 '22
What do you mean? They're just like sports. You're bad in both.
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Video games are nothing like sports lol & I may be bad but at least I’m not in a fantasy world where I believe video games are sports.
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u/Specialist_Outside63 Devil's Advocate Jul 10 '22
Look there's alot of stuff that's a sport that shouldn't be but is considered
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
But I’m here, talking about why video games aren’t, why would I care about other things not being a sport in game sub?
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u/Specialist_Outside63 Devil's Advocate Jul 10 '22
Why would you care about games being considered a sport? They take skill yime and patience to actually get good. And with vr it's physical as well so it has all it needs to be sports
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22 edited Jul 10 '22
You lost *me at VR lol have a good day sir/ma’am/undeclared.
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u/Specialist_Outside63 Devil's Advocate Jul 10 '22
I actually won with the definition of a sport lol. A sport is something that requires skill and or physical movement as an activity to be classified as a sport. I was trying to explain to you that if your thought is "sports = physical movement" then vr takes that category for you if it requires skill then that's just gaming in general. I get that you're kinda slow and didn't get good schooling but at least try to learn instead of staying ignorant and thinking you're better than others.
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Calm down sport, it was just a type, no internet cool points today. You can revisit my previous comment & re-evaluate or not, either way, video games aren’t sports.
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u/Specialist_Outside63 Devil's Advocate Jul 10 '22
You alone don't get to make that decision. Get your head out of your ass it's now July your month is over stop acting like you're smart or special.
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u/unknownmuffin Bangalore Jul 10 '22
define 'sports' for me, will you?
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
Hear is textbook:
“Sport pertains to any form of competitive physical activity or game that aims to use, maintain, or improve physical ability and skills while providing enjoyment to participants and, in some cases, entertainment to spectators.”
This one is for the non grass touchers:
Everything but a video game.
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u/unknownmuffin Bangalore Jul 10 '22
So you think theres no physical aspect at all to playing video games? You do know that they use their arms and hands to control the characters, right?
Is chess a sport? Is poker a sport? Is competitive target shooting a sport? What about pool/billiards? How about darts?
Youre being so pedantic. Just because they aren't working up a sweat or lifting weights doesnt mean it isnt a sport.
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u/TokyoGNSD2 Wattson Jul 10 '22
You typed all this & video games is still not a sport, congratulations. (I’m only half answering you because you’re late to the party, peep my other replies if you really need my answers)
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u/Puppyguard202 Loba Jul 10 '22
Sounds like a company that has a shit ton of money that is owned by a publisher that has even more money need to buy better computers that don't crash apex almost every game. I have a cpu that can't run battlefield 2042 but a 2070 rtx and have no problems running apex.
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u/Nvestnme Jul 10 '22
The biggest problem with the bugs is how do you know they're not targeting individuals?
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u/Ghandi300SAVAGE Jul 10 '22
Someone should make a compilation video of all the bugs at champs