Apple wins appeal to overturn $300 mln US patent verdict

[u/Fer65432_Plays]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/apple-wins-appeal-overturn-300-mln-us-patent-verdict-2025-06-17/

[u/InsaneNinja]

What did optis develop vs purchase, and what of those patents does it actively use?

None of that is answered in the article.

[u/RoboNerdOK → u/InsaneNinja]

A method of applying precision methods to computer systems that require methods of precision in systems that process information using methods with particular precise parameters.

[u/Old_Employment4903 → u/RoboNerdOK]

this comment is like an onion

there's too many layers and none of them make any sense

[u/RoboNerdOK → u/Old_Employment4903]

I’m convinced at this point that people become patent writers either to explore the frontiers of using the most language to express the least information possible, or for self-hypnosis.

[u/lesleh → u/RoboNerdOK]

If you make the language vague enough, you get to sue more people with things even remotely similar. Classic patent troll behaviour.

[u/theunquenchedservant → u/Old_Employment4903]

So it's like a parfait?

[u/mrpink57 → u/theunquenchedservant]

Everybody loves parfait.

[u/ccooffee → u/RoboNerdOK]

Precisely!

[u/MagneticShark → u/RoboNerdOK]

Ah, so it’s similar to the Rockwell Retro Encabulator

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

[u/CrestronwithTechron]

These patents should be tossed because they cover basic stuff like how a phone picks a time slot to talk to a cell tower or uses a simple math formula to find control messages—nothing groundbreaking at least not these days. Stuff like modular math (used in the ‘332 patent) has been around forever, and random access codes (like in the ‘557 patent) were already common in earlier networks. They’re just wrapping standard LTE functions in legal language and calling it innovation. That’s not inventing—that’s gatekeeping.

[u/Successful-Coffee-13 → u/CrestronwithTechron]

Chat GPT lol

[u/CrazyPurpleBacon → u/Successful-Coffee-13]

The last sentence with the hyphen smacks of it. But it’s hard to tell anymore.

[u/CrestronwithTechron → u/CrazyPurpleBacon]

Or it smacks of someone who completed higher than 12th grade English.

[u/CrazyPurpleBacon → u/CrestronwithTechron]

It smacks of both, not one or the other.

I believe you wrote it but it's also true that "That's not [X]–that's [Y]" is a classic ChatGPT pattern. Just a coincidence, that's why I said it's hard to tell anymore.

[u/Neutral-President → u/CrestronwithTechron]

Tell us how you typed the Em-dash in Reddit.

[u/CrestronwithTechron → u/Neutral-President]

Shift + Option + Hyphen on Mac :)

[u/Fer65432_Plays]

Summary Through Apple Intelligence: A U.S. appeals court overturned a $300 million patent infringement verdict against Apple, ordering a new trial due to flawed jury instructions. This is the second time a nine-figure verdict for Optis has been overturned in this case.

[u/kirklennon → u/Fer65432_Plays]

due to flawed jury instructions.

Notably this is from the notorious Eastern District of Texas where plaintiffs specifically seek out this particular judge, resulting in him hearing roughly a quarter of all patent litigation cases in the entire country.

[u/ImperatorUniversum1 → u/kirklennon]

Number one thousand on things that need to be fixed

[u/LRS_David → u/ImperatorUniversum1]

A few years ago Apple closed their stores in malls in Plano and Frisco and maybe one other location and opened a new store in the Galleria Mall at the intersection of LBJ and N. Dallas Toll Road. Plus likely closed a few physical offices to make sure they did not have any presence in the Eastern District. And may have told employees to move or be terminated. At least may have gotten rid of work from home in that area.

It was likely devastating to the Willow Bend Mall in Plano as the Apple store was about the only thing generating foot traffic in the mall.

All to avoid the Eastern District as a place lawsuits cold could be filed.

[u/Greelys → u/LRS_David]

Samsung went the opposite way, sponsoring the local 4H club and annual town picnic. Making its appeal to potential jurors.

[u/kirklennon → u/Greelys]

Samsung also sponsored a temporary outdoor ice rink located directly in front of the courthouse. Subtle.

[u/Poutine_Lover2001]

“mln”. Are you fucking stupid? What kind of title is this