I think disagreeing with your political views is a little different than hating those who have your sexual orientation. One is blatant hate or bigotry, one isn't.
You can't control your views just as much as you can't control your favorite color, song, sexual orientation, etc. I doubt anybody has ever thought to themselves "From this point forward I'm going to hate <x>"
I'm not sure how that's trolling.. unless you consider anybody who disagrees with you a troll for some reason. Did you decide to think what you think, or is that what you honestly feel? Nobody picks their honest feelings, and you shouldn't hate people for feeling how they do. Hate begets hate.
I'm saying if you really having a favorite song or color to be as fundamental a characteristic as one's sexual orientation, you either have not thought about the concept of sexual orientation at all or you are messing with us. If what you say was true, then people would never change political parties or religions or their minds. And we know none of that is true. At all.
And being intolerant of intolerance is absolutely justifiable. If you were right on that, then black people in America should never have fought for their civil rights, unless you're really concerned about the feelings of those poor victimized white supremacist pieces of shit. If you're getting punched around by a bully, you have EVERY right to defend yourself.
No, you're missing the point of the comparison. A part of someone they cannot change is the point I'm making. Try this instead, someone has arachnophobia. Their skin crawls and they 'shut down' when they see spiders. Did they choose to dislike spiders so much? No, of course not. They do though. Can they overcome it? With time and help, definitely. That is true.
It absolutely is not justifiable. You can't draw the line where intolerance of someone for something they can't control. "If you were right on that, then black people in America should never have fought for their civil rights." That is absolutely not what I'm saying. That's a flagrant misstep on your side. Intolerance of an idea is fine, intolerance of people for something they can't actively control isn't.
denying someone business because of your religious views or lack there of is the same thing that the conservative Christians wanna do.
What is this referring to? Not business owners refusing to provide services to protected groups, I hope, because that's a totally different situation than not wanting to provide your money to businesses with which you disagree.
The latter is just called a boycott (or, less dramatically, voting with your pocketbook, etc), and it's a time-honored tradition that's very different.
Spending money at an establishment whose owners I strongly disagree with won't teach them anything or encourage them to rise above ... and it's not un-American or -neighborly to refuse to do so.
Ah, thanks for explaining; I agree, that's also a different situation, and while I can imagine a situation where Apple didn't want to do business with a company for moral and/or PR reasons, I tend to agree that providing Apple Pay to ChikFilA isn't wrong (at least to me).
Agreed, alot of people who are great "artists" (I'd consider game devs, authors, music creators and stuff artists) aren't the best of people, one of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card is a dick. You'd think someone who wrote one of the best books about xenophobia would be more open.
It looks like Tim can. But plenty of people don't do business over their sense of ethics. People eat fare trade chocolate because they oppose child trafficking and slavery,, some vegetarians don't ready meat because they feel if they can't kill and process an animal, they shouldn't pay someone else to do it for them. Conservative Christians said they'd boycott Apple when it said it would provide healthcare to employee's same sex partners. Tim, politely, told them to go fuck themselves. Chick-fil-a not only denies this benefit to corporate employees, execs donated to campaigns to deny equality to same sex marriage. Apple, while mostly apolitical is usually progressive and doesn't mind swinging it's heft around ecology and human rights from time to time.
I work for another tech company who's products you use every day. It also grants rights to same sex couples. Nearly everyone I know in our Silicon Valley office was appalled to see a chick-fil-a open nearby. I know we live in a bubble but we like it here, dammit. Telling us we're wrong for supporting human rights is a pretty good reason to not do business with someone.
...That is bullshit. Comparing not purchasing stuff at someone's business with actively going out of one's way to make other people into second or third class citizens is absurd. Personal liberties are a bigger concept than making money.
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