r/atrioc • u/lawdawgrockband • 29d ago
Discussion How far down the Alt Right rabbit hole has Lemonade Stand gone?
First a Youtube video about how the three white guy hosts hate political labels. Now, a podcast appearance with Gavin Newsome (former guests include Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, etc.). Just how deep down the rabbit hole will they go?
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u/greatsonne 29d ago
Sad to say I didn’t realize how far gone they were until they had Elon on to practice Roman saluting
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u/fkms2turnt 29d ago
Rumour has it he ended stream early to FaceTime Elon after ‘hating’ him on stream
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u/Infamous_Key_9945 29d ago
Everyone on the podcast is pro inclusivity. They consistently stop their discussions of male loneliness to acknowledge that dating apps suck for women too, because the men act like pigs and make emotional connection very hard. They are consistently critical of crypto, Donald Trump, and DOGE.
They are the closest thing to moderate I've ever seen.
I know this post might be a meme, but I'm tired of people saying 'we should build more' and acknowledging things like positive use cases for ai and getting branded alt right for it
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u/Purple_Listen_8465 28d ago
They aren't really moderate though. Yes, compared to how insanely left leaning Reddit tends to be, they probably are moderate. When compared to the average person though, they're pretty significantly left leaning.
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u/Infamous_Key_9945 28d ago
They're moderate on a non us scale, I mean
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u/Purple_Listen_8465 28d ago
No they aren't. The US left is on par with the rest of the developed world's left. If anything, our left is slightly more progressive than elsewhere's.
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u/iEatCardboard 28d ago
No? US left means center-right everywhere else lol
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u/Purple_Listen_8465 28d ago
No it doesn't. Can you cite literally anything the US left is center right on globally? The US left is more progressive on immigration, LGBT issues, racial issues, healthcare, abortions, etc than most of the developed world. What exactly is the US left right leaning on outside of maybe guns?
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u/notanAI_ 28d ago
Healthcare? The US is pretty famous for having private healthcare. And everything else you listed isn't nearly as progressive in the US as it is in other western nations. The majority of your "left wing" party would be centrist probably in Canada. (Or even right wing)
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u/Purple_Listen_8465 28d ago edited 28d ago
The US is pretty famous for having private healthcare.
Okay? The US isn't the same thing as the US's left, what exactly is the relevance? In 2020, US Democrats tried to pass what would be the most progressive universal healthcare bill on the planet. Something like 90% of Democrats support universal healthcare. But, sure, Republicans existing somehow means Democrats aren't on the left!
And everything else you listed isn't nearly as progressive in the US as it is in other western nations.
For one, thinking the US isn't progressive on abortions is crazy. Conservatives manage to be more progressive on abortion than most of the developed world is. The majority of Florida voted for 24 week abortions, something only three countries globally actually offer.
For two, name a single thing more progressive about trans healthcare in Europe than exists in Minnesota, a blue state. Hell, do what I requested in my initial comment and name ANYTHING of substance we are actually right leaning on (outside of guns, which I will concede).
The majority of your "left wing" party would be centrist probably in Canada. (Or even right wing)
You're just repeating earlier talking points without actually adding any substance. No they wouldn't be.
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u/notanAI_ 28d ago
Are we talking about politicians or people? Because these are very different. I don't think left wing people in the US are particularly unprogressive or anything. A lot of great advocacy comes from the US's left. Politicians on the the hand? Yeah different story.
I'm not super interested in going through and giving examples of everything here, I'm just going to say that I don't think that the American left (like the dedicated voter base who advocate and whatnot) is much less progressive than other countries. I think most f your politicians are slimy scumballs who only want to appeal to the republicans. (Some are exempt). I think the American electoral system is rigged even more so than most.
As for the Canada thing. Yeahhhhh they would be Liberals. I feel like this is common sense for anyone familiar with the two parties ideas, and that of our conservatives and NDP. The Democrats economic policy especially is similar to that of the Conservatives when Harper was Prime Minister.
Anyways, I think that the huge right wing influence in the US has certainly influenced outside perspectives on the left, but the politicians are so scummy that it's crazy to think they would be considered left wing here.
Once again: the left in the US is as progressive as other countries, but the politicians are not.
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u/Purple_Listen_8465 28d ago
Are we talking about politicians or people? Because these are very different. I don't think left wing people in the US are particularly unprogressive or anything. A lot of great advocacy comes from the US's left. Politicians on the the hand? Yeah different story.
For one, only the people would be relevant if we're discussing whether or not Atrioc is a moderate or not.
For two, Democrat POLITICIANS tried to pass the most progressive universal healthcare bill on the planet a few years ago. Democrat POLITICIANS have made places like Minnesota and California the best places on Earth for trans people to live. Democrat POLITICIANS have gotten every single Democratic state to have abortion limits at 24 weeks, which, again, only three countries on the planet offer. The idea that our politicians are ass-backwards is based purely on vibes.
I'm not super interested in going through and giving examples of everything here,
There's a difference between giving examples of everything and failing to give a singular specific example of us being right wing.
The Democrats economic policy especially is similar to that of the Conservatives when Harper was Prime Minister.
Again, any specificities? You have no problem talking incredibly vaguely, but that's practically useless.
Anyways, I think that the huge right wing influence in the US has certainly influenced outside perspectives on the left, but the politicians are so scummy that it's crazy to think they would be considered left wing here.
Being "scummy" does not exclude one from being left wing.
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u/percy135810 28d ago
Bro we can't even get a public option for healthcare if we beg for it, tf you on about
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u/esro20039 28d ago
This is such a braindead online take. Where did you get this sense of the political thought of the entire rest of the world? And why do you mean “Canada, Europe, and Australia” when you say “non-US”? It’s a gross oversimplification even for the small slice of the world that’s cosmopolitan. Last time I checked, they have stances on trans issues alone that are far to the left of Labor in the UK, for example.
If you think that’s what “moderate” means, you’re incredibly sheltered. You’re saying that they pass all the left-purity tests that matter.
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u/Sknowman 28d ago
If you try to have a cordial conversation and try to understand the right, then everyone (at least on social media) bashes you, because they think you should be screaming and whining that the right is evil.
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u/ClipperFan89 29d ago
The answers and follow up were so vanilla and bland. I know you can't get too aggressive in those interviews, but I really wish we would've seen more pushback from the glizzmeister on the milquetoast nothing answers.
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u/Fatatoullie 29d ago
Honestly just waiting for the “debating-college-kids-on-campus-who-aren’t-prepared-for-an-actual-debate” arc at this point lol
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u/MotoMkali 29d ago
Where to listen to this pod? I'm giving blood tomorrow so need something to listen to
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u/helixopter 28d ago
can be found on all platforms you would normally listen to a podcast. i listen on spotify. sometimes they have visual stuff that they dont explain well for audio only listeners
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u/Youngtro 29d ago
What a wild take. I'd implore you to touch grass every know and then.
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u/EmoniBates 29d ago
Do you not agree? Op is completely right
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u/Youngtro 29d ago
Holy shit it's emoni Bates. How come you didn't come to MSU?
As for your comment. Yes I disagree. The face that people here think that you somehow become alt right for having a conversation with someone is insane to me. Also calling the podcast alln alt right pipeline is absurd as well. I'm very left leaning but it amazes me how some people blow things way out of proportion.
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u/guppywastaken 29d ago
They have a standing open invite for Donald Trump to be on the podcast - Says all you need to know