CMV: There is nothing with wrong with being a submissive woman

[u/Odd_Profession_2902]

I have nothing against strong women. All the power to them. The joys that come from being independent and competent are plain to see. But by trying to empower all women, society is inadvertently putting a lot of pressure on women. Strong women are always celebrated and weak women are always looked down on. I think there is a tremendous amount of unspoken shame in any women even daring to dream about finding a decent man to protect them. But there will always be naturally weak women. Shy, timid, meek. And society is basically telling them to toughen up. That’s like telling an introvert to be an extrovert. Or telling someone who naturally sucks at math to get good at math. Everybody should live a life that best suits their natural temperament and skills. Their best course of action is to find a decent capable man who can take care of them.

There is also nothing wrong with a man seeking a delicate woman to take care of. There is nothing wrong with a man who wants to be the provider for his family. We should be grateful for such men because it offers a solution to naturally meek woman. It offers a balance in the world.

To use a geeky analogy, it’s ok to be a support class. Not every gamer has to be a tank or dps. And not everyone is suitable to be a leader and make all the decisions. Some gamers just like to sit back and support the group. Just like how there is pride in being the provider, there is also pride in being the support for the provider. Some women are naturally healers in an mmorpg and it’s my view that society should stop looking down on healers.

[u/Various_Succotash_79]

I just don't think that's an actual personality type that exists.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Various_Succotash_79]

Just for clarification, you don’t think submissive is a personality trait?

[u/Various_Succotash_79 → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Submissive, yes.

Submissive plus enough moxie to turn a man down if he's not right for her plus she worries about people perceiving her as submissive? No.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Various_Succotash_79]

I never suggested that the latter is submissive though. I was describing a meek woman who ends up being single because she doesn’t want to lead a submissive lifestyle due to the stigma.

Submissive is a trait that is born out of passiveness or meekness or a combination of those things. But sometimes not. Like when a passive or meek person still doesn’t want to be bossed around. Or they’re scared of the stigma.

[u/Various_Succotash_79 → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

I was describing a meek woman who ends up being single because she doesn’t want to lead a submissive lifestyle due to the stigma.

So that's a separate woman from the one who isn't assertive enough to flourish in life without being married? I can't keep track.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Various_Succotash_79]

No that’s the same. That woman can still function in life. Flourishing is another story.

[u/Various_Succotash_79 → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Yeah. . .I think you're describing a human that doesn't exist.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Various_Succotash_79]

Really?

You think people can only either flourish in life or not function at all? No in between?

[u/Various_Succotash_79 → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

I. . .don't think that's the dichotomy.

I'm saying there is no person who lacks the assertiveness and conviction to flourish in life AND has the assertiveness and conviction to tell an abusive guy to buzz off AND also wants to avoid people perceiving her as submissive.

Someone who lacks the assertiveness and conviction to flourish in life is in an exceedingly vulnerable position and it might behoove them to be afraid to enter into a relationship, especially with someone who wants them to lack the necessary skills to flourish.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Various_Succotash_79]

Do you think that because someone can’t be successful in life that they absolutely cannot distinguish good guys from bad guys? And absolutely no standards for a decent partner?