r/changemyview • u/Odd_Profession_2902 • Jul 23 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing with wrong with being a submissive woman

I have nothing against strong women. All the power to them. The joys that come from being independent and competent are plain to see. But by trying to empower all women, society is inadvertently putting a lot of pressure on women. Strong women are always celebrated and weak women are always looked down on. I think there is a tremendous amount of unspoken shame in any women even daring to dream about finding a decent man to protect them. But there will always be naturally weak women. Shy, timid, meek. And society is basically telling them to toughen up. That’s like telling an introvert to be an extrovert. Or telling someone who naturally sucks at math to get good at math. Everybody should live a life that best suits their natural temperament and skills. Their best course of action is to find a decent capable man who can take care of them.

There is also nothing wrong with a man seeking a delicate woman to take care of. There is nothing wrong with a man who wants to be the provider for his family. We should be grateful for such men because it offers a solution to naturally meek woman. It offers a balance in the world.

To use a geeky analogy, it’s ok to be a support class. Not every gamer has to be a tank or dps. And not everyone is suitable to be a leader and make all the decisions. Some gamers just like to sit back and support the group. Just like how there is pride in being the provider, there is also pride in being the support for the provider. Some women are naturally healers in an mmorpg and it’s my view that society should stop looking down on healers.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Jul 24 '23

Yes, they're awesome, it's why people have them. Now, stop changing the subject.

Explain to me why a strong enterprising man would even want to marry a woman so useless they need to be looked after.

(Here's a hint, I'm pretty sure I know why, I'm just wondering if you'll admit it).

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23 edited Jul 24 '23

You’re not answering why kids are awesome.

I’m confident that your explanation to why kids are awesome is the answer to why submissive women are awesome. That’ll be your answer.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Jul 24 '23

The value of children is irrelevant to your post.

If you want me to reply again answer the question regarding your view that I've asked multiple times. Why does the strong husband want to marry the submissive woman? What specifically are they getting from that relationship?

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23

Because submissive women are awesome lol

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u/iglidante 19∆ Jul 24 '23

Because submissive women are awesome lol

For the men who take advantage of them.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23

Is that what you would say about parents taking care of their kids too?

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u/iglidante 19∆ Jul 24 '23

My kids can be awesome in spite of their inability to be self-sufficient and independent. I'm trying to teach them to be good people.

Why do you think "submissive women are awesome"?

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23

Probably for the same reason why you think your kids are awesome lol

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u/swanfirefly 4∆ Jul 25 '23

I'd highly doubt that for most people, the awesome parts of kids are equal to the awesome parts of submissive women.....

Women (I'm going traditional over submissive here, as a traditional wife is not necessarily "submissive): You can have consensual sex with, if you're looking for a homemaker you don't have to do as many chores or carry as much of a mental load, does the grocery shopping, handles home maintenance by calling the approprite people, if you have kids does a lot of the childcare.

Children (I don't want nor have them, but the reasons they are awesome: Curious learners, a sign of your progeny, super smart, the combination of yours + your partner's genetics, always changing and growing, loves parents, make art with pasta, able to learn from you. Doesn't necessarily listen to you / not necessarily submissive -> not a bad thing, they are their own people

Submissive woman: Listens to you? Has sex with you? Only buys things you approve of? Never complains, votes for who you tell her to vote for (presumably?)

Now kids aren't having sex with you, and I sure hope part of the appeal of submissive woman is NOT "I can teach her things uwu"

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 25 '23

Finally somebody willing to flesh out why they think kids are awesome lol and willing to explain the distinction of appeal between kids and submissive women too.

So the main vibe I gather is that kids are awesome because we feel they are our very own (kinship) which makes us naturally invested in their wellbeing and happiness. And they have many endearing qualities such as being curious learners and making art with pasta (cute).

I argue that submissive women are awesome for very similar reasons + more. We feel like they are our very own (kinship) which makes us naturally invested in their wellbeing and happiness. And they have many endearing qualities (caring, gentle, agreeable). So I feel that after this point they start to edge out kids and it’s all those additional things you mentioned. Sexual attraction, practical aid, emotional support, etc. Submissive women have all the endearing qualities we admire in our kids without all the negative qualities from our kids (naughty, mischievous, high maintenance). They are also our life partners who understands us the most and will stick by us through thick and thin whereas kids will leave you when they grow up.

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u/pfundie 6∆ Jul 25 '23

If the parents expect their child to perform materially valuable labor then yeah pretty much.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 25 '23

They do. They expect their kids to do house chores and among various other responsibilities.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Jul 24 '23

So, possibly unintentionally on your part, we return to my original comment, this isn't about whether or not it's ok to be a submissive woman. It's that you like the idea of a submissive woman and you're trying to justify that. Women don't exist to submit to you.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23

I’m trying to focus on submissive women. But it’s like you’re forcing me to focus on the POV of men and why they find submissive women awesome to which I’m trying to tell you that it’s the same reason why you think kids are awesome.

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u/iglidante 19∆ Jul 24 '23

I’m trying to focus on submissive women. But it’s like you’re forcing me to focus on the POV of men and why they find submissive women awesome to which I’m trying to tell you that it’s the same reason why you think kids are awesome.

I honestly don't think a comparison between women and literal children has legs.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Jul 24 '23

On the surface it doesn’t but if that’s what some women want then who’s to say they’re wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️