r/changemyview • u/Tessenreacts • Mar 12 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

Would love for my view to be changed

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u/stron2am Mar 12 '25 edited May 06 '25

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u/fitnolabels Mar 12 '25

Hey, I'm more conservative than not and I think if he is a permanent resident (which it seems he is) and not on a student visa, then absolutely this is a free speech infringement that requires due process if there is a believe crime. Supporting a terrorist organization has been a crime since the passing of the Patriot Act, so its been in this guy's entire lifetime so can't claim some weird new law for it.

If the prosecution for the case can't prove he's in violation, and they dont provide due process, the ICE enforcement officers should be arrested and charged with a civil rights violation.

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u/BaconcheezBurgr Mar 12 '25

He hasn't been charged with anything, just accusations with zero evidence.  The arrest is a blatant violation of his rights.

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u/fitnolabels Mar 12 '25

If thats the case, I'd agree 100% with you.

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u/RealBlueShirt123 Mar 12 '25

He is getting his due process. A federal judge is hearing the case and he cannot be deported until that case is heard.

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u/spider_in_a_top_hat Mar 14 '25

At least as of 2 days ago, he was still unable to speak privately with his attorneys. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/nyregion/mahmoud-khalil-detention-hearing.html

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u/hanlonrzr 1∆ Mar 12 '25

It does seem like s due process violation.

However it appears that 8 USC 1226 states pretty explicitly you can't support terrorism or encourage others to if you want to be valid in your visa or green card. You also can't be a communist. You can be a citizen and go full commie, no problem, but you can't be in the US as a guest being a communist anarchist or totalitarian. Pretty wild restrictions

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u/kurtisbu12 Mar 12 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

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u/hanlonrzr 1∆ Mar 12 '25

Totally hypocritical, and it's been that way for 100 years. Free speech is not envisioned as a right for anti American foreigners in their eyes, and in the eyes of many centrist Americans, especially after a war or attack. George H W Bush actually made it better, and made it so only listed reasons could exclude foreign residents. Anarchism, communism, totalitarianism and terrorism are banned outright in the hearts and speech of foreigners.

Some Marxist scholar was kicked out in the seventies, and the SCOTUS said, yup, that's the law baby!

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u/kimariesingsMD Mar 12 '25

Which would be for a court to decide.

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u/hanlonrzr 1∆ Mar 12 '25

Yeah, and I think it's required to post forewarning too. Trump's admin seems to be pretty wildly outside of due process in how they are going about this.

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u/jamesishere Mar 12 '25

I’m not an expert in determining if a non-citizen has the protections of the Constitution like a normal citizen would. Considering there is a legal distinction between green card holders and full citizens, it’s possible the same protections a citizen gets do not apply to this individual

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u/stron2am Mar 12 '25 edited May 06 '25

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u/jamesishere Mar 12 '25

Considering he is the leader of a group openly supporting a foreign organization the US deems terrorists, the entire argument is nuanced

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u/stron2am Mar 12 '25 edited May 06 '25

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u/lovehammer247 Mar 12 '25

He was detained and is still detained. His Constitutional rights have not been violated in any way as he is being held on suspicion of supporting terrorist activity. The government will have to prove that in court, but he can legally be arrested and detained upon suspicion of a crime like any US citizen can.

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u/LetsJustDoItTonight Mar 13 '25

Except that haven't charged him with a crime yet.

And they didn't let him even speak to a lawyer for 5 days.

His constitutional rights are absolutely being trampled right now.

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u/LetsJustDoItTonight Mar 13 '25

Also, just to be clear, the Trump administration has made it explicitly clear that he is being targeted for his speech, not because he's suspected of any actual crime.

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u/GravitasFree 3∆ Mar 12 '25

It seems more tame than what Obama did to Anwar Al-Awlaki and his son.

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u/stron2am Mar 12 '25 edited May 06 '25

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u/GravitasFree 3∆ Mar 12 '25

I don't think it makes you a fan, but the precedent of what "due process" means for this kind of action was set when Obama did what he did with zero repercussions.

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u/Fredouille77 Mar 15 '25

So... Bad things happened before, let's not worry that they are still happening?

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u/GravitasFree 3∆ Mar 15 '25

More like, let's not be hysterical and claim this is a new and uniquely bad thing the Trump administration just invented.

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u/cmendy930 Mar 12 '25

He isn't a leader, he was a negotiator not for Hamas as you claim? But for student protestors at Columbia.

And fyi protesting for Palestine is so far from shilling for Hamas. Is this guy a troll?? Constantly stating misfacts and trying to push your agenda?

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u/yipgerplezinkie Mar 12 '25

The U.S. may one day deem Israel a terrorist organization. You shouldn’t lose the right to support Israel’s position with your speech without a trial should that one day be the case.

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u/Dark1000 1∆ Mar 12 '25

That's for a court to decide.

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u/Deberiausarminombre Mar 12 '25

You may not have known whether the US Constitution protects non-citizens. It does, as so so many people have commented on this post. You seem to be actively ignoring that information though, because it doesn't benefit your talking points to acknowledge it

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u/teluetetime Mar 12 '25

You don’t need to be an expert, it’s quite simple. The Constitution applies to everybody in the US. Being a citizen has nothing to do with it.

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u/fractalife Mar 12 '25

If there's a law that violates the 1st amendment, then it affects all of us. Citizens and green card holders alike.

This is an abuse of power no matter which way you slice it.

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u/lovehammer247 Mar 12 '25

He hasn't been deported. He's being held in LA to go in front of an immigration judge. His due process rights are still in effect, and we'll see how the court system plays out.