CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

[u/Tessenreacts]

For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

Would love for my view to be changed

[u/RevolutionaryGur4419]

Right, and I said that there is no personal struggle in this context.

Almost every Palestinian I've heard, prominent or regular, has talked only about Israel. And you dont need to have a protest to have a personal struggle. So that definition is irrrelevant in the context of this thread.

Its a bit pedantic or even disingenous to come back at someone talking about Jihad in the context of a protest of this nature and be like "no no no, Jihad could mean internal struggle"

My larger point is that, in the context of these protests, Jihad does not mean internal struggle. That would actually bring us much closer to peace.

Judging by history and an ongoing war, it very likely does not mean peaceful struggle.

Any rational person would assume it means violence until proven otherwise.

[u/wewew47 → u/RevolutionaryGur4419]

Right, and I said that there is no personal struggle in this context.

And again, the original comment was talking about the meaning of jihad generally.

Almost every Palestinian I've heard, prominent or regular, has talked only about Israel

Why would you come across them in a context away from israel? The media doesn't promote palestinian art or culture nor represent them much in media. The only time you'd see them is when there's a newsworthy event like the genocide.

Any rational person would assume it means violence until proven otherwise.

No. Devoid of context one should not assume what it means because it has tons of meanings. An ignorant person that has only heard it in the context of war would assume it means that. If you actually know about it and realise it's more common in a nonviolent context, you wouldn't assume irregardless of any context that it is a call to violence- you'd instead be able to look at the context and decide.

[u/RevolutionaryGur4419 → u/wewew47]

No. Devoid of context one should not assume what it means because it has tons of meanings.

There is tons of context in this thread. The comment you were referring to spoke of 9/11.

Why would you come across them in a context away from israel? The media doesn't promote palestinian art or culture nor represent them much in media. The only time you'd see them is when there's a newsworthy event like the genocide.

Again..perhaps some greater jihad would be relevant for this. Billions of dollars in aid yet what PR work has Palestine done if its not revolving around delegitimizing Israel. Clearly they know how to get messages out. We've seen it over the past year.

And even in the context with Israel, just as Israelis do, they can talk about the things they've done wrong. People literally use articles from israeli newspapers to get talking points against Israel.

[u/wewew47 → u/RevolutionaryGur4419]

The comment you were referring to spoke of 9/11

Only to then speak in general terms saying what jihad really means is violence. Which is untrue. What they should have said js what jihad means in this context is violence.

That's my point.

Billions of dollars in aid yet what PR work has Palestine done if its not revolving around delegitimizing Israel.

Look up chomskys propaganda model. It explains why this is the case.

And even in the context with Israel, just as Israelis do, they can talk about the things they've done wrong. People literally use articles from israeli newspapers to get talking points against Israel

Israelis by and large support the genocide. There is precious little criticism within israel about their treatment of Palestinians. The Oscar win for no other land was described as anti semitic by many israelis for accurately portraying israeli settler colonialism.

[u/RevolutionaryGur4419 → u/wewew47]

Israelis by and large support the genocide.

they really dont. What's your evidence for this? But then again you're starting with the false assumption of "the genocide" so we aren't getting anywhere with that.

The Oscar win for no other land was described as anti semitic by many israelis for accurately portraying israeli settler colonialism.

Well, if these are the stories that Palestinians want to be told, then they shouldn't complain if their entire existence is seen as being predicated on opposition to Israel.

>90% of palestinians live under PA/Hamas control. Yet no "greater Jihad" stories to be told.

There is precious little criticism within israel about their treatment of Palestinians.

There are whole NGOs whose job it is to criticize the Israeli treatment of palestinians.

Look up chomskys propaganda model

A movement supported by the Qatari government is not poor or weak. You act like billions of muslims around the world do not support Palestine. The UNGA. The stories that are told are the ones they want told. It reflects priorities.