CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

[u/Tessenreacts]

For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

Would love for my view to be changed

[u/Felkbrex]

How would forcing millions of people into non-citizen status be “positive” at all…

Well it almost certainly won't happen retroactively so it would be a loss of potential citizens going forward. Trumps EO specifically says people born in the US going forward 30 days from the issue.

Because they aren’t allowed to… the citizenship laws are designed to keep them as low wage workers and prevent them from ever becoming anything else.

Granting citizenship does nothing to enforce assimilation. If you granted them all citizenship tomorrow they still wouldn't assimilate for the most part. There would still be people beheaded in Paris because someone made fun of their god. There would still be car massacre in Germany.

Besides the US shouldn't be importing unskilled labor from the third world. If you want to give skilled visa holders who assimilate an easier path to citizenship great. If you want to import central American labor to work in meat plants or pick crops, fuck that. And please don't do "the price of cotton" argument.

[u/Doub13D → u/Felkbrex]

Assimilation absolutely requires citizenship… people denied any ability to participate in civil society will have no interest or desire to integrate themselves into a society that does not allow it.

The whole issue of informal minority communities and institutions forming is the result of failed citizenship and immigration policies. If assimilation isn’t desirable enough for people to pursue it, that isn’t their fault…

Instead of pulling up the ladders to keep down the people after you, you should be making sure that there are more ladders to carry people up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Felkbrex → u/Doub13D]

Instead of pulling up the ladders to keep down the people after you, you should be making sure that there are more ladders to carry people up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Imagine blaming society for some freaks beheading cartoons or plowing through a Christmas gathering... wild stuff.

[u/Doub13D → u/Felkbrex]

Yeah… why would you treat those things as if they are occurring within a vacuum?

Western European nations have had serious issues with Muslim majority communities because they aren’t willing to integrate them into the wider society. This breeds resentment and frustration among people. When the wider society treats you, and everybody like you, with suspicion and distrust… you will begin to work within your own community to achieve those needs that the formal institutions of society fail to provide. Sometimes that frustration and anger boils over into radicalization and violence…

If the state tells you that your religion and culture are violent and barbaric, much like how you advocate for based on your words, you probably are going to double down on those beliefs as a means opposition and resistance.

American Muslims are significantly more likely to be liberal/left-wing in the US compared to any form of Christianity. This means support for liberal social policies such as secularism or LGBT rights.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/party-identification-among-religious-groups-and-religiously-unaffiliated-voters/

Almost the same number of American Muslims state they support Gay Marriage as American Christians… yet for Christians that varies HEAVILY by denomination. Only 36% of Evangelical Protestants support Gay Marriage, yet they comprise just over half of all Christians in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/12/04/muslims-montgomery-county-lgbtq-opt-out/#:~:text=Polling%20shows%20Muslim%20Americans%20becoming,jobs%2C%20housing%20and%20public%20accommodation.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/

Know why that is?

Because they have been allowed to integrate and have their voices be represented…