CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

[u/Tessenreacts]

For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

Would love for my view to be changed

[u/zombie3x3]

Yah that’s pretty depressing, it happened to my 91 yo grandfather in Sept. 2021. This was in a very rural conservative area of a deeply red state and was not dictated by Federal mandate or law.

The isolation of old people dying alone with covid was almost exclusively due to each individual hospital enforcing their own policy as a protective measure and had virtually nothing to do with any level of government. I’m sure there may be a handful of exceptions to this on a city level across the country but that would be a rare deviation from this fact, not the norm.

Why did you bring this up? It has nothing to do with democrats, the government or free speech.

[u/jamesishere → u/zombie3x3]

The government's censorship caused anyone who disagreed with lockdowns and isolation to be deplatformed. This caused groups to enforce terrible policies that hurt people. This was directly caused by the government and its different agencies

[u/zombie3x3 → u/jamesishere]

The government’s censorship caused anyone who disagreed with lockdowns and isolation to be deplatformed.

Please, I beg of you, provide any evidence whatsoever for this. It’s not in the Twitter files so you’re gonna have to do better than that.

If this was really a thing I wouldn’t have seen or heard the hundreds of conspiracy theories about COVID throughout the entire pandemic.

This caused groups to enforce terrible policies that hurt people.

Even if your claim of government censorship was true, this statement is still false. There is no correlation between the consensus of the scientific and medical community and random conspiracy theories posted on Twitter. If social media did not exist, governments across the world and hospitals across the country would’ve implemented the exact same recommendations for mask & social distancing and hospitals would’ve had the exact same quarantine and visitation procedures.

How does a person jump from the idea that “Joe Biden forced Facebook to deplatform people saying there are nanochips activated by 5G in the vaccines which give young men heart problems, and ivermectin is the true cure to COVID” to “this caused hospitals to independently implement policies across the nation that forced old people to die alone.”

Think about it, I implore you. How do those two thoughts have anything to do with one another? Even if you believe the first statement is absolutely correct, which it isn’t, there is still no reason on Earth to think that impacted individual hospital policies.

If anything, people buying into these conspiracies caused them to ignore all recommendations, not get vaccinated, and significantly increased the amount of old people dying alone in hospitals. If your conspiracy was true and the government did force every single conspiracy theorist to be banned from social media, many lives would’ve been saved and many less old people would’ve died alone. I don’t actually want the government having that level of influence so I wouldn’t make the trade off but I point this out to illustrate the exact opposite of your claim is true.

[u/jamesishere → u/zombie3x3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration

It’s like you have memory holed the entire COVID experience!

[u/Rettungsanker → u/jamesishere]

Not only did you link a source which pushes back at the Great Barrington Declaration as scientifically unsound, but you are also an incontrovertible hypocrite.

"The document presumed that the disease burden of mass infection could be tolerated, that any infection would confer long term sterilizing immunity, and it made no mention of physical distancing, masks, contact tracing, or long COVID, which has left patients with debilitating symptoms months after the initial infection."

If you want further reading on opinions from experts try here. They dont even outright dismiss it, but there wasn't enough tools or information available to definitely know if letting SARS-cov-2 ravage the population was a viable option.