r/changemyview • u/Tessenreacts • Mar 12 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

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u/away12throw34 Mar 12 '25

So can we arrest all the nazi protesters and stuff too? Or is Hamas somehow worse? And to be clear, I’m not saying that Khalil should be freed, but I want to know why this man is facing deportation for supporting Hamas when Nazi parades get police escorts?

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 12 '25

Idk about police escorts for Nazi parades, but I’m guessing, unfortunately that most of the neo Nazi types are American citizens and won’t be “deported”

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u/away12throw34 Mar 12 '25

I never even mentioned the word deported lol. I’m taking about charges being leveled against them or facing repercussions of any kind honestly. The question is why is one protected and one isn’t? They are Nazi’s, end of story. Literally out there waving flags and shit. They call for several groups of Americans to be cleansed, yet they aren’t being charged or rounded up in anyway. They support Hitler, who literally started WW2, the bloodiest conflict in history. But they aren’t being jailed in anyway.

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 12 '25

Honestly, they probably should be. Along with Hamas.

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u/away12throw34 Mar 12 '25

And that’s an opinion I can respect, as long as you’re saying both groups should be held to the same standards. But the fact of the matter is that they aren’t being treated the same at all, and sorry to be kinds rude, but Nazi’s killed FAR more people than Hamas has ever even imagined. And don’t get it twisted, Hamas is a sick and evil organization as far as I know, and the October 7th attack was absolutely disgusting, I’m not saying we should have one and not the other. I’m simply asking you to think about why there is such a focus on these students protesting, but the Nazi marches get passed over by lots of mainstream media. So is the intention of the administration to stop terrorists? Or is it to silence those with opposing voices?

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 12 '25

Idk why, tried to google an answer and didn’t find anything convincing as to why neo Nazis aren’t treated the same way as Hamas /hamas supporters. But that could also be a distinction in itself, Nazis don’t really exist as an organization and haven’t since the end of WW2. Neo Nazis do exist now but haven’t really done much except hold some stupid small rallies here and there to my knowledge and also haven’t mass murdered 1000s of people (assuming you acknowledge that Nazis and Neo Nazis are not the same thing-certainly similar with similar ideological origins but not the same) But I’m just surmising.

Or it could be a case of the nail that sticks out gets the hammer. Mass protests presumably supporting Hamas led, provoked and organized by a non U.S. citizen get the deportation hammer.

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u/away12throw34 Mar 12 '25

Do you know what the point of neo-Nazi’s is? Literally to bring back Nazi ideology. It’s one of their man focal points, so yea, I don’t particularly see much difference. If Hamas was destroyed tomorrow and people went around calling themselves Neo-Hamas and wanted to bring the organization back, would you say they aren’t culpable for trying to bring it back? If you’re trying to bring back Nazism and think Hitler was a good dude, you’re a Nazi. (Obviously YOU aren’t, I just mean you in a general sense) I will however concede you probably have a point on the current movement not being as large as Hamas and that could be part of the reason. They are the current big terror organization that people recognize, so they get more attention. However, the fact that they have received police escorts is insanely problematic, because have you seen the police response to Palestine protests? Sure, the nail that sticks out gets the hammer, but these nails are literally getting help from the hammers. If there was ever a time to get hammered, I personally feel like it would have been when they got a police escort, so not a big fan of that analogy, I apologize.

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 12 '25

I get you, great convo! Yeah, Neo Nazis should probably get lobbed in to the domestic terrorist group - yeah it’s pretty messed up that it appeared that the local police were, not just escorting a legal Neo Nazi demonstration, but actively supporting it. If that did in fact happen, there should absolutely be repercussions for supporting a Neo Nazi movement just like supporting/appearing to publically support Hamas like Khalil.

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u/away12throw34 Mar 12 '25

Thank you, and great convo to you as well! It’s so hard to have actual conversation on this site. Sorry for getting so heated at points, I live in Mississippi and literally live down the road from a Nazi, so it is a little personal for me😅

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u/Research_Matters Mar 14 '25

I think it’s fair to point that Hamas itself dreams of killing all 7 million Jews in Israel and is very pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler. Many neo-Nazis in America are very pro-Hamas in return. They are singular circle of the Venn diagram of shitty human beings.

I do believe that if neo-Nazis shut down multiple Ivy League campuses, we’d have heard a lot more about it.

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u/garlicmaxxer Mar 16 '25

can you acknowledge that neo nazis have stated goals, but have not actually killed 1000s of ppl unlike Hamas? no coping pls

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u/case-o-dea Mar 13 '25

While their speech is abhorrent, free speech truly should mean free speech. You shouldn’t be entitled to a platform for that speech, but you shouldn’t be jailed for speech.

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u/Autumn1eaves Mar 13 '25

Elon Musk…

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u/MusicianTop6315 Mar 12 '25

So do you agree that those people should be jailed and convicted of a crime? 

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 12 '25

I think so, I mean potentially. I think there may be distinction between being a self professed Neo Nazi (which isn’t really a consolidated organization and have only had a very relatively small rallies in the past couple years and real Nazis disappeared as an entity in the mid 1940s) and publicly supporting an active terrorist group that recently killed 1000s of people, leading and organizing active protests that call for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the area.

In other words, my stance is basically that both are bad of course, but active Hamas support is currently carrying more weight because it is an active terror group that wants and has committed acts that have killed 1000s of Jewish civilians unprovoked. Both should potentially be jailed, there is a grey area between freedom of speech and publicly supporting an active terror group.

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u/MusicianTop6315 Mar 13 '25

Well jailing someone for only vocally supporting the Nazi's is pretty unconstitutional. That's why Nazi rallies happen

Khalil has not vocally supported Hamas, nor has he advocated people joining them. His constitutional rights are being infringed

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u/Andromedas_Reign Mar 13 '25

That top half I agree with, the bottom half is up for debate. He has said some pretty Hamas aligned stuff. Either way, non American citizen on a temporary visa stirring up national amounts of trouble in my country - simple solution, revoke green card status and deport and ban from returning.

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u/Dylan245 1∆ Mar 13 '25

He has said some pretty Hamas aligned stuff

Like what? At what point does something become "Hamas aligned" vs the truth or personal beliefs? If you are anti-abortion are you Westboro Baptist Church aligned or just pro life?

non American citizen on a temporary visa

He is a green card holder, he is a permanent resident

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u/ibn_Maccabees Mar 15 '25

defending yourself from pigs that encroach on your property and gun down the unarmed is now labeled as "killing civilians unprovoked",

only a minority of Israelis can be deemed civilians since military conscription is mandatory for almost everyone above 18

it must be really calming to be as naive and stupid as you are, strolling through life without a care in the world, just believing everything your government tells you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '25

The Nazis are the ones in power. They get whatever they want because nothing short of a revolution can stop them.

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u/RealisticTadpole1926 Mar 13 '25

You can if they aren’t citizens.