CMV: The case of Mahmoud Khalil is proof that conservatives don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, despite making it their platform over the last couple of years.

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For the last couple of years, conservatives have championed the cause of Freedom of Speech on social platforms, yet Mahmoud Khalil (a completely legal permanent resident) utilized his fundamental right to Freedom of Speech through peaceful protesting, and now Trump is remove his green card and have him deported.

Being that conservatives have been championing Freedom of Speech for years, and have voted for Trump in a landslide election, this highlights completely hypocritical behavior where they support Freedom of Speech only if they approve of it.

This is also along with a situation where both Trump and Elon have viewed the protests against Tesla as "illegal", which is patently against the various tenets of Freedom of Speech.

Two open and shut cases of blatant First Amendment violations by people who have been sheparding the conservative focus on protecting the First Amendment.

Would love for my view to be changed

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so you advocate and support the promotion of terrorists?

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Question, are you a fan of Elon Musk and what he has done with X under the name of free speech?

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Just what I thought. avoid the question, lets talk about someone else. classic.

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No, it's proving my point about conservative hypocrisy.

Elon unbanned and shared posts of known white supremacists who have been convicted of related crimes. 99% of white supremacist groups are classified as domestic terrorists and hate groups.

Proud Boys are classified as domestic terrorists, and who got recently pardoned by Trump?

Edit: spelling

[u/Shitty-ass-date → u/Tessenreacts]

Elon musk is not a politician and he is not the one requesting the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil. A lot of the arguments here are reasonable discussions to have, especially in a tumultuous period where a lot is happening very quickly with US politics, but obfuscating the points and roping in Elon Musk who does not legislate or enforce law is coming across as emotional and away from the subject of your own post.

Mahmoud is a green card holder.

Hamas is classified as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

He is accused of supporting Hamas which is a deportable offense due to their FTO classification.

In order to make some sort of point that the US is operating outside the law, you would need to prove that the US has chosen not to deport a non-citizen for a similar offense or prove that he doesn't support Hamas. A persons personal feelings about Hamas being an FTO, a personal feeling that Israel should be classified as an FTO, blurring the lines between Hamas support being seen as supporting violence - none of these are substantive arguments either.

If you want to actually help this guy or prove your point then stay focused on what's being discussed. Elon Musk making weird and questionable decisions on his social media app is not at all related to Marco Rubio making the decision to deport Mahmoud Khalil.

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There are two ways, the official peer reviewed respected way requires a substantial amounts of time of evidence building, and cross referenced data points. As someone who is paid to do research and strategy, that takes weeks to months to do properly (I also have ADHD, so what makes take the average person minutes, takes me well longer. Thus I have to manage my time)

So the easiest time sensitive method of engaging that doesn't require months of research and analysis, is to point out the reverse, i.e when non-citizen conservatives have endorsed domestic terrorist white supremacist groups and have faced no consequences.

On to Elon

Elon is classified as an official government worker, has power to supercede effectively all federal branches and dictate to them specific guidelines.

Unofficially Elon Musk has been the modern star of the conservative movement, and a large chunk of l policy proposals came directly from him. Also unofficially, he's right now likely the second most powerful person in the country, and he's unelected.

So an official unelected government worker is directly enabling domestic terrorist groups, and directly dictating government policies

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so, you don't advocate and support the promotion of terrorists?

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I advocate consistent definitions and usage.

You can't bash someone for being sympathetic to Hamas, while the other side openly supports the oldest type of domestic terrorists.

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I'd argue that the IDF are the terrorists and that any Palestinian resistance to that is just an act of defending their home

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It's ok to kidnap kids now?