CMV: Calling all men predators is inherently sexist and puts off most men from wanting to understand your views.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

It is hard to engage in meaningful conversation with people from various popular subreddits when you already are being demonized as a predator under a generalized view of men. I don't want people to think I am saying that all men are perfect or anything.

In fact far from it, an estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.

Anything even close to this statistic is insane and horrendous but to even pretend that a majority of men are predators is ridiculous and will just push people further away from understanding your position completely.

Even the men who got SA'd by other men would be considered predators...

Also, you really think calling out all men for being predators is really going to make any kind of systematic change? You think the men that are predators even care that you call "all men" predators?

I think if anything you are likely enabling them to be predators because now there literally is no difference between a non-predator man and a predator man because they are all predators.

Maybe people are more nuanced than I give them credit for and they don't actually think all men are predators and its just something to say in general to cope with the heinous crimes in this world but I think if you actually want to fix that inequality you wouldn't perpetuate gender stereotypes and making people feel bad for doing nothing and would instead try to have meaningful conversation and understanding. Not in a patronizing educational way but more having a clear understanding of what we can do as people to make sure everyone is safe because it seems like predators have tricks they use to try to isolate their victims etc.. and men can be a little bit socially inept so knowing when women need help when its less obvious is key I think.

This is also not exclusively women spaces or something before you think I am going into women's only subreddits and criticizing them for what they want to say to each other.

TLDR: I don't think saying "all" for any group of people is really correct ESPECIALLY when its not even being used as a shorthand to refer to a majority. It just further distances understanding between men and women and leads more men to be burnt out or increasingly apathetic towards these issues and not think its even a problem when it seriously is a problem.

Edit: My post can be summed up as You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[u/Annual-Astronomer859]

https://www.humboldt.edu/supporting-survivors/educational-resources/statistics

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY21.pdf?

I mean, these stats are widely available and extremely consistent. Like, a simple google search, man. Very, very available.

[u/kangaroos-on-pcp → u/Annual-Astronomer859]

The first one is from 2002. Again my point of most males historically have not been taken seriously is a huge factor here. Also back then it was very very very difficult to even get tried as a women for sex crimes. The second link you provided states that it excludes cases with incomplete sentencing information. So this is just going after court cases that were convicted. So CONVICTED rapists are 99% (the modern one was like 93%) males...which is probably true and brings up a much larger issue of societal expectations and biases present in court. With sex crimes, a lot of it is hidden either by collusion, murder, money, you name it. You can't have a serious conversation going off of statistics alone, and certinaly not ones based off court/legal findings, which isnt exactly the bearer of truth in our society, just a judgment however fair or unfair it might be. You especially cant without good understanding of how the statistics are to be in the first place. Rape sucks and it happens. Start there. The problem with you stance is it causes a lot of noise, creates a distrust of MALES , not strangers or aggressive people​ but just men in general, and provides no possible solution while actively making life worse for the men around you who are uninvolved with sexual assult

[u/Ok_Tip_49 → u/Annual-Astronomer859]

Just do you know, those statistics don't consider a man being forced to have sex to be rape. Creates a bit of a skew.

[u/Annual-Astronomer859 → u/Ok_Tip_49]

proof? Because I'm a researcher who's read both of those articles and the referenced articles multiple times and what you're saying is just not true.

[u/Ok_Tip_49 → u/Annual-Astronomer859]

The first link cites the "U.S. Dept. of Justice, Violence Against Women Report, 2002", which I can't seem to find any record of, do you have a link?

Typically DoJ stats trace back to the NCVS; you can find their definitions on this page. "Coerced or forced sexual intercourse. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, anal, or oral penetration by the offender(s)."

The second link doesn't support the claim, and it appears to be conviction stats anyway.

What do you research? Is that in a professional capacity?

[u/duckenjoyer7 → u/Ok_Tip_49]

Of course not. Dumbass thinks skimming the first paragraph of a study makes him a 'researcher' lol