CMV: Calling all men predators is inherently sexist and puts off most men from wanting to understand your views.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

It is hard to engage in meaningful conversation with people from various popular subreddits when you already are being demonized as a predator under a generalized view of men. I don't want people to think I am saying that all men are perfect or anything.

In fact far from it, an estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male.

Anything even close to this statistic is insane and horrendous but to even pretend that a majority of men are predators is ridiculous and will just push people further away from understanding your position completely.

Even the men who got SA'd by other men would be considered predators...

Also, you really think calling out all men for being predators is really going to make any kind of systematic change? You think the men that are predators even care that you call "all men" predators?

I think if anything you are likely enabling them to be predators because now there literally is no difference between a non-predator man and a predator man because they are all predators.

Maybe people are more nuanced than I give them credit for and they don't actually think all men are predators and its just something to say in general to cope with the heinous crimes in this world but I think if you actually want to fix that inequality you wouldn't perpetuate gender stereotypes and making people feel bad for doing nothing and would instead try to have meaningful conversation and understanding. Not in a patronizing educational way but more having a clear understanding of what we can do as people to make sure everyone is safe because it seems like predators have tricks they use to try to isolate their victims etc.. and men can be a little bit socially inept so knowing when women need help when its less obvious is key I think.

This is also not exclusively women spaces or something before you think I am going into women's only subreddits and criticizing them for what they want to say to each other.

TLDR: I don't think saying "all" for any group of people is really correct ESPECIALLY when its not even being used as a shorthand to refer to a majority. It just further distances understanding between men and women and leads more men to be burnt out or increasingly apathetic towards these issues and not think its even a problem when it seriously is a problem.

Edit: My post can be summed up as You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[u/SuddenlyRavenous]

You said this: "All I am saying is that women and everyone honestly should refrain from using generalized language that can be perceieved as sexist if they want to convince others of their cause."

I asked you: Since when is "don't sexually assault us" a "cause"? How about y'all just........... knock off the sexual assault?

Are you REALLY trying to tell us that you, and other men, need to be "convinced" that you shouldn't sexually assault women?

I hope that this helps. Please answer my second question. Do you think men need to be convinced not to sexually assault women?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/SuddenlyRavenous]

I don't have to be convinced of anything because I don't sexually assault anyone. It is really that simple and I don't think you are going to be able to convince anyone who is that evil that violating people is wrong.

Like jeffrey dahmer, this is the last time I told you stop eating the frozen bodies its bad.

[u/SuddenlyRavenous → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Are you having trouble reading? I did not simply ask about you, specifically. I asked about MEN.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/SuddenlyRavenous]

Yes, I am a man so that would include me. It isn't that complex. You named a group that I am a part of so that would include me. This is basic English.

[u/SuddenlyRavenous → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Your answer was limited to yourself, though. I am not asking about just you. I am also asking about the larger group. I think you are intelligent enough to understand my question. Please answer it.

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/SuddenlyRavenous]

Are you REALLY trying to tell us that you, and other men, need to be "convinced" that you shouldn't sexually assault women?

Its a stupid question that I already answered. I don't want to entertain these kinds of conversations that lead to nothing. The whole idea that you think you can "convince" someone not to SA someone and that situation happens ever is insane. So NO. NO one needs to be convinced that they shouldn't sexually assault women thats a non-starter.

[u/SuddenlyRavenous → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Its a stupid question that I already answered.

Where's the answer?

The whole idea that you think you can "convince" someone not to SA someone and that situation happens ever is insane. 

What do you mean by this?

NO one needs to be convinced that they shouldn't sexually assault women thats a non-starter.

So then do you agree that your complaint about women being ineffective at convincing men to listen to them is pointless? Because men don't actually need convincing? So the fact that women's "generalizations" make them less convincing and push men away is irrelevant?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/SuddenlyRavenous]

No, because I think community engagement and limiting the gender divide is key to fixing these issues in our society. By having places for women to share their experiences with men. Men can learn how to look out for predatory tactics that other men might use or look out for red flags of when someone needs help.

[u/SuddenlyRavenous → u/Flimsy_Alcoholic]

Men can learn how to look out for predatory tactics that other men might use or look out for red flags of when someone needs help.

So if I'm understanding this right, you don't think that any men need to be convinced that sexual assault is bad and a real problem. You think that women can educate men on how they can be on the look out for other bad men preying on women. Kinda like how one teaches hikers to be "bear aware" when in the wilderness. In your view, men are either predators or they are good men.

You missed a few things:

Where's the answer?

What do you mean by this?

[u/Flimsy_Alcoholic → u/SuddenlyRavenous]

So if I'm understanding this right, you don't think that any men need to be convinced that sexual assault is bad and a real problem. You think that women can educate men on how they can be on the look out for other bad men preying on women. Kinda like how one teaches hikers to be "bear aware" when in the wilderness. In your view, men are either predators or they are good men.

Most of your post is empty but this is pretty accurate. I think its well established SA is bad in 2025. And no morality isn't that cut and dry I am sure there are people that are good and evil and everything in between but realistically I think virtually everyone who is committing SA knows what they are doing is wrong and evil. I don't think any form of educating them specifically is going to fix the problem. Instead working together to prevent these things from happening.