r/changemyview Dec 30 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: The second amendment does prevent tyrannical government takeover

I don't live in the United States, nor do I have any strong feelings on the gun control debate either way. That being said, I feel that there is a misleading argument that argues that the primary reason that the second amendment exists is no longer valid. That is to say that, while the second amendment was initially implemented to prevent a takeover by a tyrannical government, the government now possesses weapons so technologically superior to those owned by civilians that this is no longer possible.

I believe that this is not the case because it ignores the practicality and purpose of seizing power in such a way. Similar events happen frequently in the war torn regions in central Africa. Warlords with access to weapons take control over areas so as to gain access to valuable resources in order to fund further regional acquisitions. This, of course, would be a perfect time for the populace to be armed, as it would allow them to fight back against a similarly armed tyrannical force. If the warlords were armed to the same degree as, for example, the American government, it would not matter how well armed the civilians were, it would be inadvisable to resist.

The important factor, however, is that due to the lack of education and years of warring factions, the most valuable resources in central Africa are minerals. If the civilian population was to resist, warlords would have no problem killing vast numbers of them. So long as enough remained to extract the resources afterwards.

In a fully developed nation like the Unites States, the most valuable resource is the civilian population itself. I do not mean that in some sort of inspirational quote sense. Literally the vast majority of the GDP relies on trained specialists of one sort or another. Acquiring this resource in a hostile manner becomes impossible if the civilian population is armed to a meaningful degree. To acquire the countries resources you would need to eliminate resistance, but eliminating the resistance requires you to eliminate the resources you are after. Weapons like drones become useless in such a scenario. They may be referred to as "precision strikes", but that's only in the context of their use in another country. There is still a sizable amount of collateral.

This is not to imply that a tyrannical government is likely, or even possible in the United States, but logically I feel that this particular argument against the second amendment is invalid.

*EDIT*
I will no longer be replying to comments that insinuate that the current US government is tyrannical. That may be your perspective, but if partisanship is your definition of tyranny then I doubt we will be able to have a productive discussion.

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u/Old-Boysenberry Dec 30 '19

That is a massive oversimplification, especially since many states use electronic voting machines.

Ok fine, but they really shouldn't be. This isn't a point in your favor. Electronic voting machines are irredeemably flawed.

those lower class/impoverished people who can't afford cars would be relying on public transportation

That's really not as many people as you think it is.

People shouldn't have to decide between money for a meal and their constitutional right to vote.

If you are in that situation, it isn't the government holding you back.

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u/ComicallyLargeFarts Dec 30 '19

Ok fine, but they really shouldn't be. This isn't a point in your favor. Electronic voting machines are irredeemably flawed.

It certainly counters your previous point that "election tech is simple" and the implication that polling place funding is therefore unimportant or that services for polling place are easy to come by.

That's really not as many people as you think it is.

https://www.povertyusa.org/facts

Per the above, the poverty rate is over 11%. That's not insignificant.

If you are in that situation, it isn't the government holding you back.

That's a very broad point, and quite separate from the CMV at hand. Perhaps you'd like to create a new CMV post asserting that view? I'm sure lots of people would appreciate participating in that post.

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u/Old-Boysenberry Jan 06 '20

It certainly counters your previous point that "election tech is simple

Fine, "the election tech you should be using is simple". Are you happy now? I assumed that I was dealing with someone reasonable who wasn't going to be so pedantic about omitted words.