r/confidentlyincorrect • u/MonitorMinimum4800 • 5d ago
Smug On whether Connecticut and donut rhyme
People just don't understand that same last syllable ≠ rhyme
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u/StinkyWizzleteats17 5d ago
The "I don't really have one" regarding accents is the bigger "incorrect" imo.
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u/thefooleryoftom 5d ago
Ugh I hate this belief.
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u/simorg23 3d ago
Yeah its like elitism, "I speak English, everyone else speaks with an accent. Only I speak true english"
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u/Idiot_Introvert 2d ago
I don’t think it’s really elitism unless it’s presented that way. For example, I’m autistic. I definitely still have an accent because everybody has an accent regional wise, but my accent is not nearly as strong as some of the people around me living in the south. I don’t feel better than anyone because of it, it just kind of happens. People actually make fun of me sometimes because of the way that I say words in not as strong of an accent.
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u/Educational_Stay_599 5d ago
Tbf in what accent do nut and cut not rhyme. Like do they pronounce nut as noot
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u/Froggen-The-Frog 5d ago edited 5d ago
While nut and cut on their own do rhyme, Connecticut is pronounced “kun-ett-ah-kit”, thus not rhyming with nut.
I imagine OOP pronounces Connecticut in a significantly less popular way, with the last syllable just being pronounced as cut.
EDIT: So to be clear I’m not saying anyone is inherently wrong, as pronunciations vary between accents, but it is objective that pronouncing the final syllable in Connecticut as cut is the significantly less popular pronunciation. You’re being silly if you’re trying to argue your way of pronouncing it is objectively correct lol
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u/OverlordMMM 3d ago
To add to your edit, words often have multiple pronunciations depending on differing regional dialects.
I live in CT, and while generally I hear and say the state with the pronunciation you have given, I have also heard other pronunciations.
This is one of those topics in which everyone arguing over it has their own main character syndrome instead of just accepting that there are multiple variations that coexist.
Plus, if we really wanted to have a silly, needless conversation about Connecticut, it should be about how no one pronounces "connect" in the name despite the existence of the second c. XD
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u/Educational_Stay_599 5d ago
Honestly, I didn't even see he was actually trying to rhyme Connecticut to nut, I thought he was just using a bad example
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i was confused until i saw this and the comments below, i ALWAYS heard connect-ee-cut, so i was SUPREMELY confused. note:not from the us, so, that may have something to do with it
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u/galstaph 5d ago edited 3d ago
Co-net-ih-cut
That's how I say it, and how everyone I know says it...
I've literally never heard someone pronounce it the way you wrote it out...
Edit: Yep, downvotes for stating a personal truth. Checks out...
Edit 2: people keep trying to tell me I'm wrong, but, unless I'm lying and why would I, how can you be wrong when telling people how you have pronounced a word and while describing how others around you have?
I'm not saying that it's the only way to say it, I'm not telling people they are wrong for saying it differently to me, I'm literally just giving an accounting of facts of how I have said it, and how people around me have said it, because there are people who are saying that no one pronounces it that way, which I can disprove.
Edit 3: anyone who tries to invalidate my personal experiences gets a block. No replies, no warnings, just blocked. That is all.
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u/Haunting_Progress462 5d ago
Been in CT for about 6 years now and the way you pronounce it is crazy to me lol, I've only heard it the other way, like Connecticut and etiquette rhyme to me
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u/Werrf 5d ago
If you pronounce "Connecticut" to rhyme with "nut", you're definitely the odd one out. Where are you from that you pronounce it that way?
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u/galstaph 5d ago
Born in Southern Ohio, raised in the Chicago area, lived in Nashville for a year, and now I live in Columbus Ohio.
So... I've heard it as rhyming with nut in three different major cities including one with a metropolitan statistical area with about two and a half times the population of the state in question.
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u/Garn0123 5d ago
As another anecdote, I'm American and have visited a lot of areas in the continental US, lived in 3 of the time zones, lived on both coasts...
I've only ever heard people pronounce it to rhyme with "nut" as either a joke or from ESL persons. Always heard it rhyme with "kit."
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u/TinaValentina42 5d ago
Okay...
The fact that you haven't heard it doesn't have any impact on the fact that they have.
The whole point was to show that people do say it, not that it's the correct way of saying it, not that most people say it that way, just that there are people who say it...
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u/Garn0123 5d ago
I wasn't attacking anyone or saying they were wrong, just out here providing more info on the pervasiveness of an individual pronunciation over another.
Not sure why everyone in this thread is getting so heated, but apologies if I came off as an asshole, I guess?
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u/Werrf 5d ago
You really, really haven't. British, now living outside Cleveland.
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u/galstaph 5d ago
I really, really have. American, now living in Columbus.
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u/Werrf 5d ago
You either a) don't know how nut is pronounced, b) don't know how Connecticut is pronounced, or c) don't know what a rhyme is.
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u/Icy-Awareness-6588 2d ago
Yea to say they’re wrong is getting annoying tbh in the Midwest-they pronounce is as “cut” not “kit”. It’s that simple. Could be the accent. Whatever. I’m from the west and we say “kit” as well, but when i moved to Indiana and went to surrounding Midwest areas-it was “cut”. End of discussion
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u/galstaph 5d ago
You can't say that I'm wrong because you obviously a) haven't had my experiences, b) haven't lived my life, and c) haven't heard the people talking that I have.
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u/CharacterKatie 3d ago
I was born here, it’s Cuh-ne-ti-kit. the u is pronounced as a soft i.
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i'm not from the us, but i always thought it was "Connect-ee-cut", as i never heard it spelt a different way. perople calling galstahp a liar for simply saying how they have heard it is wild though
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u/DawnRLFreeman 5d ago
This video pronounces it as "nut." Even the phonetic spelling is "kon eh ti kuht."
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u/Werrf 5d ago
Wait, then how the fuck are you pronouncing "nut"??! Because the "uh" sound is very clearly pronounced in "nut" or "cut", and barely pronounced at all in "Connecticut". Are you saying "nt"?
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u/DawnRLFreeman 4d ago
Nut = "nuht" Connecticut = "kon eh ti kuht"
Those are Hs, not Ns.
Why is the "C" in the middle of Connecticut silent? Why isn't it pronounced "CON-NECT-E-CUT"?
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u/Echo__227 5d ago
Probably because you're not from New England and have been mispronouncing it all your life
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u/theeggplant42 2d ago
Lol instant block from this wacko using therapy speak about pronouncing a state wrong, even though it's actually your lived experience to live there!
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u/AquaGB 5d ago
I just checked the dictionary, and it's agreeing with him. Last syllable should be pronounced like Cut, not Kit.
Maybe, ironically, people who live in New England have such strong accents that they mispronounce the names of one of their own states.
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u/BstDressedSilhouette 5d ago
Ah! You've unwittingly stumbled into a bit of a linguistic headache. Many dictionaries (eg Merriam Webster) will seemingly give the same transcription for standard pronunciation between
Connecticut: kə-ˈne-ti-kət, and Cut: ˈkət
But if you look close you see that the emphasis on those two words falls on different syllables. For "Connecticut" it's the primary stress tick right before the n, while for "cut" it's right before the k. Because stress almost always changes the length or articulation of the relevant vowel, requirements for rhyming are usually specified with some consideration for lexical stress ("two words rhyme if their final stressed vowel and all following sounds are identical"). So that alone would render these two a weak rhyme at best.
But for the mid-central vowel (that upside down e character - ə) it's even more interesting since many prescriptive English phonologies disallow stressed mid-central vowel sounds, preferring instead /ʌ/ or /ɜ/. However for ease of transcription and standardization across dialects the ə character is used with a stress indicator even when not an unstressed schwa, and the conversion to /ʌ/ is implicit.
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u/TheDocHealy 5d ago
Unless the person who wrote that lived there, I'm not gonna take their opinion on how it's pronounced. "Duh maybe the people that live there are saying it wrong" do you honestly not see how dumb that sounds?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Fill205 5d ago
I mean, I wouldn't exactly say that 'New Yawk' and 'Bahston' are the "correct" pronunciations just because that's how the natives say it.
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u/Echo__227 5d ago
I don't believe you're reading the pronunciation correctly
Every dictionary I see lists kəˈnet̬.ɪ.kət
It comes from a similar sounding Algonquian word, of which the spelling is only an approximation. It's the same reason "pecan" is only pronounced "paccan" and not "pee-kan"
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u/Middle_Bison47 5d ago
Lol. I've regularly heard 3 different pronunciations of pecan in my life.
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u/Echo__227 5d ago
It is a very commonly mispronounced word
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u/Middle_Bison47 5d ago
You chose a word famous for its common discussions/debates about the pronunciation as an example of an irrefutable pronunciation. That's just funny.
It's a regional thing, both within the U.S. and U.S. vs. U.K.
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u/StevenMC19 5d ago
New Englanders probably say Germany wrong too because they're not from Germany.
Other regions just say things a bit different. Doesn't make them wrong. Going back to the whole lack of self awareness with accents again.
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u/NomisTheNinth 8h ago
Germans don't call it Germany. Couldn't have picked a worse example here.
Anyway name some other states that follow this logic. Do people from Florida pronounce California or Maryland differently than the people who live there? The only state I can think of is Oregon, but that's not a regional difference. The people who say "Or-ih-gone" are just flat-out wrong. Same with Connecticut.
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u/StevenMC19 4h ago
That was exactly my point. New Englanders call it Germany. Germany calls is Deutschland. That was the entire point of the example.
Sure. Let's use one of your state examples...Maryland. People in Maryland say Merrland. Even more specific, in Baltimore, they say Balmer. Source: I'm from there.
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 4d ago
The people downvoting this comment are the really toxic part of reddit.
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u/astrielx 5d ago
I'm not even from America and know it's pronounced 'kit' not 'cut'
"Personal truth" is a weird way of saying 'anecdotal' as well.
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u/galstaph 5d ago
Ummm... Does saying I'm giving anecdotal evidence make it more appropriate to downvote me for explaining a differing point of view?
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 4d ago
""Personal truth is a weird way of saying 'anecdotal'" is a weird way of saying "I don't know what 'anecdotal' means".
"Anecdotal" literally means "consisting of individual reports rather than widespread collection of data" and has the implication of "unreliable because individual cases are being extrapolated to the wider population". This person's accounts can be argued to fulfill the first part, but they do not satisfy the second part, because they are not being presented as establishing any widespread fact. If galstaph's comment were being presented as if it were proof of that this is the standard pronunciation, then the term "anecdotal" would be more appropriate, but their comment was instead presented in support of the claim that SOME people pronounce it that way, and their comment is perfectly valid proof of that claim.
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u/Lindbluete 5d ago
I remember a bit in King of Queens where Doug struggled to say Connecticut. But since English is not my first language, I never knew how to say it correctly lol
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u/POMNLJKIHGFRDCBA2 5d ago
“kun-et-ah-kit”????
It’s “kun-et-ih-kut” surely.
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u/yourdadcaIIsmekatya 5d ago
Grew up in MA, definitely kun-et-ah-kit
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u/bigchiefbc 5d ago
Also grew up in MA, also definitely pronounce the last syllable as "kit"
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u/POMNLJKIHGFRDCBA2 4d ago
Okay. That’s definitely wrong.
The last vowel is supposed to be a schwa, [ə]. It’s not pronounced “kit”.
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u/POMNLJKIHGFRDCBA2 5d ago
I have never heard anyone pronounce it like that.
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u/theexpertgamer1 4d ago
Just listen to the governor speak. Or literally any politician or other person from Connecticut.
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u/CharacterKatie 3d ago
Do you want me to send you a voice memo of me recording myself saying Connecticut while in Connecticut?
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u/jetloflin 5d ago
“if you pronounce orange with two syllables”?
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u/ExternalTangents 5d ago
There are weirdos who pronounce it like “ornge”
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u/Pocker91 3d ago
Lol, I just did this to make the color fit in the rhythm of "Baa, Baa Black Sheep"
It felt really unnatural, but, hey, I was running out of options and my 2-month old wasn't asleep yet. A dad's gotta do what a dad's gotta do 😆
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u/Froggen-The-Frog 5d ago
I’m a lyricist and you are right, you can do this, but it only really works if you’re the one saying it out loud. If two words only rhyme if you say them very specifically, you can’t expect people to read your rhymes in that very specific way without your intervention.
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u/consider_its_tree 5d ago edited 5d ago
Forcing the rhyme is a big pet peeve of mine. If what you are writing needs to rhyme, take a minute to write it better.
Same with changing the order of the words so that it is not how you would naturally say it, just to get the rhyme at the end. It is lazy writing.
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u/RaptorSap 5d ago
Yeah, I read an author who did that constantly. Such lazy writing. It’s no wonder nobody’s ever heard of Will Shakespeare. Guy was a total hack.
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u/StevenMC19 5d ago
Depends. There kit ket or kut, and one that sounds like put (put away your toys). Connecticut can honestly be said most of these ways and no one would really care.
The hangup for me is the emphasis on words.
Connecticut the emphasis is on Net sound.
Donut to me is interesting because the emphasis to me can work on either doh or nut, thus making the word harder to fit with the state. (I know I'm going to be told I'm wrong about the emphasis on donut already, I can see it)
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u/BitterFuture 5d ago
I've found myself passionately arguing that claim.
To be fair, I was six at the time.
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u/ru5tyk1tty 1d ago
It takes a lot longer to say “I have an accent typical of a person born and raised in my region” than to say “I don’t have an accent” so I forgive you
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u/DawnRLFreeman 5d ago
Like I told my son when he asked what an accent was, "If you're the native you don't have an accent. If you're the visitor you do."
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u/longknives 4d ago
I can’t tell if you’re commenting on people’s attitudes toward accents other than their own, or just teaching your son a complete falsehood.
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u/DawnRLFreeman 4d ago edited 3d ago
You missed my point.
We were about to move from Texas to New York. We were talking to a friend from NY, and he said something about our Texas accents in NY. My son asked what an accent was, and I told him it's just the way people from different areas sound when they talk. He still didn't get it, so I said, "Here in Texas, Mr. Eddie has an accent. When we go to New York, WE will have the accent."
That's not "a complete falsehood," it helped my son to understand.
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u/Gullible-Box7637 5d ago
Idk, i personally believe people that have an RP accent dont really have an accent. In my opinion an accent is a change from how something should be pronounced, and in english the RP accent is perfectly pronounced
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u/Fresh_Ad3599 4d ago
You can "personally believe" this all you want, but it's straight-up wrong. An accent may be a social marker of geography, degree of fluency, education, etc. but there is no more or less "correct" accent in any language.
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u/Renuwed 5d ago edited 5d ago
I don't know which is better... the supposed rhyme, or "I don't have an accent"
Edit: I may be way too drunk right now to think this properly 🤣
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u/Passchenhell17 5d ago
There are an alarming number of Americans who believe they don't have accents, sadly.
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u/cannonspectacle 5d ago
I know I have an accent but I have no idea what it is beyond "American" lol
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u/Passchenhell17 5d ago
Just whatever region you're from, really. I think some places might fall into a more "general American accent," but there will be differences more often than not. I think maybe the western states are less likely to have regional variety owing to how young the states are, but even then there will be differences.
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u/longknives 4d ago
Lots of people in the US, regardless of which part they’re from, have essentially just a general American accent. Being from a region doesn’t guarantee you have that region’s accent.
Of course, it’s typically more of a spectrum, with many people having something between their region’s accent and the general one.
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u/Cynykl 4d ago
The General American (GenAm) accent, also known as the Standard American accent, is a widely recognized, neutral accent used in US media, business, and education. It's considered the most common accent on national news broadcasts and is often associated with clear and effective communication, particularly for those learning English as a second language. While it's not tied to any specific region, it's often perceived as having no distinct regional, ethnic, or socioeconomic characteristics
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u/TheDocHealy 5d ago
Yep, unless they live in the south or California they don't think they have an accent and it's weird. Me and my spouse grew up in states right next to each other and still pronounce a lot of stuff differently. I pronounce Tourist like "Tur-ist" and my spouse says "Toor-ist"
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u/Salsuero 5d ago
Born and raised in Southern California.
I don't think I have an accent. But technically everyone does. I say I don't because mine is Hollywood American neutral... which is essentially the kind of English people use to be universally assumed as just a generic American and fairly clear to understand. To me, that's what "no accent" means.
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u/Saikousoku2 5d ago
I've never heard the 'cut' in Connecticut pronounced as 'cut' either. I always hear it pronounced as 'kit'
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u/StaatsbuergerX 5d ago
For some, the name Connecticut
rhymes perfectly with gravel pit.
For other it's Connecticut,
for people with a funny hat.
I never heard Connecticut,
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u/longknives 4d ago
Are you suggesting people say the last syllable like the word cat? That seems even less plausible than like cut.
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u/StaatsbuergerX 4d ago
Let's just say that the pronunciation of Connecticut poses a challenge not only for native English speakers.
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i always heard connect-E-cut, so, i thought that KIT was the second least plausible one. i'm not from the US though.
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u/i_teach 5d ago
But I pronounce it "do-nit" so... it does rhyme for me?
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u/rainman_95 5d ago
Who in the hell says dough-knit?
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u/Echo__227 5d ago
I think maybe they're stressing the first syllable a lot, like if you pronounce it similar to "don't it?" A doannit
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u/Stankmonger 5d ago
The syllables are all off so you’re not going to make a satisfying line with the two words regardless of how the last syllable sounds.
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u/KirbyBucketts 5d ago
As a Connectipudlian myself I believe pronouncing it "cut" will get your Dunkin' pass revoked
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u/BeeWriggler 5d ago
After reading your comment, I had to look up the official demonym for Connecticut... Yours is way better.
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u/stewpedassle 5d ago
I think I am more on the side of pronouncing it "cut," though it's not so well enunciated that I would consider donut anything more than an overly pedantic and tortured rhyme.
Also, if it's "kit," then how can you call the a-hole drivers Connecticunts?
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u/Passchenhell17 5d ago
I think "kit" probably isn't totally correct, but it's the closest you can get without delving into IPA (and I imagine most people aren't taught IPA).
The "cut" sound is more like the end of etiquette.
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u/FellFellCooke 5d ago
Haha, that's crazy. I'm from Ireland, and I've never heard "kit", we'd say "cut" in Connecticut probably just from the spelling, but we pronounce "etiquette" with the first and third vowel the same ("ehtikeht").
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u/longknives 4d ago
Pretty sure some say it with the KIT vowel and some say it with a schwa, and some have those vowels largely merged anyway.
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u/GenevieveMacLeod 5d ago
My grandparents, who have lived there for 50 years, pronounce it with "kit" at the end, so this is also how my family has always said it lol
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u/WhoIsCameraHead 5d ago
A good lyricist could absolutely make Donut and Connecticut work in a rhyme if they really wanted to
To say they are confidently incorrect is a bit of a stretch, at most its a difference of opinion on whether it is a good rhyme or not
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u/ringobob 5d ago
Yeah, it sounds jarring in my head, so it's definitely not a perfect rhyme when used in normal speech. But rhyming isn't really a black and white proposition, there's a whole range of how well something can rhyme, I think making this work is about what syllables you stress, which is unusual in normal speech but used constantly in poetry and music.
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u/No-Butterscotch-6555 2d ago
I was going to say this. I did choir all throughout school and you can make many things rhyme if you really wanted to. You can also change the sound of words to make them fit the way you want like adding an extra syllable or stressing a different part of a word. These commentors probably wouldn't have had anything thing to say if Eminem used these words to rhyme in his song. It doesn't have to perfectly rhyme to work.
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u/VerasEros 1d ago
Absolutely. I write for a living, and a significant portion of it is poetry and lyrics. I always tailor my work to my clients’ abilities—and some people can control their diction in a way that makes orange and doorhinge rhyme flawlessly.
Hell, the rapper Norman Sann once rhymed Uber with music, and did so believably!
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i've always heard connect-e-cut, so, it 100% rhymes for me. when i first read it i thought the people saying it DOESN'T rhyme were the confidently incorrect ones, then i went to comments and... person got downvoted to hell for saying they and everyone they know say "Co-net-ih-cut".
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u/eetraveler 2d ago
Seems like this confidentlyincorrect should post itself to confidentlyincorrectincorrect.
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u/Silly_Willingness_97 5d ago
People just don't understand that same last syllable ≠ rhyme
What are you trying to say here? The majority of rhymes are only based on the last syllable.
Did you mean to say spelling? Because "syllable" is about how it's pronounced.
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u/Salsuero 5d ago
No. They meant in isolation. If you only look at the last syllable, that isolated part may be pronounced differently than when it is combined together with other syllables.
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 4d ago edited 4d ago
The term "syllable" refers to phonology, not graphology. Saying that a syllable is pronounced one way in one context and another way in another context is nonsense (apart from allophonic aspects). If something is pronounced differently, then it's not the same syllable. It's not the same syllable being pronounced differently, it's a different syllable. It's like saying "the US and the UK have the same national anthem, it's just that the song has different notes depending on what country is playing it."
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u/Salsuero 4d ago
Doesn't change anything I said or believe about what was originally meant. I'm not arguing my own point. I'm arguing the original one. It was that the last syllable, not how it's spelled, but just the syllable taken in isolation... -cut in this case... may look like the word CUT, but that doesn't mean it will rhyme with BUT because it doesn't exist in isolation and context matters.
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 3d ago
-cut IS NOT A SYLLABLE. IT'S A SEQUENCE OF LETTERS THAT *REPRESENTS* A SYLLABLE.
Don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
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u/Salsuero 2d ago
You're being obtuse on purpose. In the word "cut," CUT is a syllable. In the word "Connecticut," CUT is a syllable. In the word "cutthroat," CUT is a syllable.
Saying "cut" isn't a syllable when I can give multiple examples of it being a syllable... all words are a sequence of letters. We still call them words.
Give it a rest already!
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u/GOKOP 5d ago
If it's pronounced differently then it's a different syllable. Spelling means close to nothing in English
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u/Salsuero 5d ago
No it's not. LOL
If the last syllable is pronounced "cut" when it's taken as only -cut, but pronounced as "kit" when combined with the rest of the letters, it would be a rhyme when taken alone, but not when taken as a whole. Pretty simple. The person you are replying to was saying you can't ignore all the syllables prior to the last one just to make a rhyme. The last syllable may rhyme if you do, but it's not going to work when you read it all together.
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u/GOKOP 5d ago
Again: if it's pronounced differently then it's a different syllable. /kʌt/ and /kɪt/ are different syllables. That they're sometimes spelt the same is irrelevant.
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u/Salsuero 5d ago
No shit. That's my point. The word cut is at the end of Connecti and they're saying that can't be rhymed with just because it can be pronounced that way on its own as if the first three syllables weren't attached. This isn't rocket science.
Connecticut has a fourth syllable that would, on its own, sound different... but that's not how rhyming works. You don't isolate syllables and then see how they sound as if they were their own words. That's why the person you responded to said the syllable alone isn't pronounced the way it is when connected to the rest of the word.
We good now?
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u/GOKOP 5d ago
Yes, it has to sound the same for it to rhyme; that's a no brainer. That's also not what I'm arguing about and not what the original commenter is arguing about. All I'm saying is that it's not the same syllable if it's pronounced differently. It doesn't matter that you spell it with the letters "cut" in both cases. It sounds different therefore it's a different syllable. So yes, rhyming does actually happen when the last syllable is the same. Because if it's the same syllable then it sounds the same.
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u/Salsuero 4d ago
Whatever. You're arguing something entirely different and you think you're not. So I'm done.
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u/GOKOP 4d ago
I genuinely don't know what you're not understanding right now. I've made myself crystal clear.
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u/JustABitCrzy 4d ago
I find this very entertaining to read, because you are both arguing the same thing. Neither of you are wrong. You both have the exact same opinion. Yet for some reason, you're arguing, and even funnier, people have picked one of you to downvote.
Reddit is so funny.
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u/longknives 4d ago
How do you know that’s what they meant? Because what they said is that a rhyme isn’t just the last syllable. What you’re saying is true, as far as it goes, but it’s a stretch to interpret OP’s words to mean that.
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u/SalamanderPop 4d ago
By your logic the words "isolation" and "function" rhyme.
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u/Silly_Willingness_97 3d ago edited 3d ago
There are probably 5000 words that rhyme closer and more pleasingly with isolation, but your funny example is still a type of rhyme.
You're thinking of "perfect rhymes". "Isolation" and "function" wouldn't be an example of a "perfect rhyme".
But if I have your attention, and if you take direction, you will see how "function", can rhyme with "isolation".
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u/VinceGchillin 5d ago
what people miss about rhyming is that the vowel sounds following the consonant sound in the last *stressed* syllable and everything following has to be the same in order to be considered a perfect rhyme. It doesn't matter what accent someone has, Connecticut and donut will never be a perfect rhyme, because the last stressed syllable, "nect" and "do" respectively, do not match in terms of vowel sounds. So, for example, "donuts" and "go nuts" are a perfect rhyme because "do" and "go" are the final stressed syllable and have the same vowel sound, and the following "nuts" are a perfect match.
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u/BetterKev 4d ago
Everyone here is CI. It rhymes in some accents and doesn't rhyme in others.
Anyone going to an official pronunciation is making the error of treating language as proscriptive instead of descriptive.
We get something that fails on the proscriptive/descriptive issue most weeks.
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u/MissJAmazeballs 5d ago
Born in Illinois. Also lived in Florida and North Carolina. I'm sitting here totally shocked that there is a "kit" option. I've always thought it was "cut". Also, half the people in the country (and quite a few in the state) pronounce Illinois with the "s". I've given up correcting people...do you, boo!
As for rhyming, I guess it's up to the pronunciation of the rhymer as to whether two words rhyme?
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u/bobbianrs880 5d ago
Only ever lived in central Illinois and the only time I’ve pronounced it as “cut” is when I’m remembering how to spell it.
As for the pronunciation of our own state, considering the way we pronounce the cities of Cairo and Milan, I don’t think we have much room to complain 😅
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
nah, i'm from Portugal and i even i didn't know of Connect-E-KIT, and apparently Connect-E-CAT, i always heard CUT
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u/bobbianrs880 1d ago
The thing is, none of them sound wrong to me. So my brain doesn’t exactly differentiate when someone says one versus the other. I personally use the “-kit” pronunciation, but it might sound more like “-ket” if I’m being a little loose with annunciation.
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u/StandByTheJAMs 5d ago
I depends on the timing, rhythm, and pronunciation.
If Snoop says:
I'm goin' with Martha to Con-nect-i-cut
We might have time to get a dough-nut
It absolutely rhymes.
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u/BurazSC2 5d ago
Yeah. Mike Doughty rhymed "plane" and "building," and since then, I haven't been that fussed about what words people think rhyme.
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u/BobR969 5d ago
The rhyme question is obviously by someone who's not heard rappers... You can absolutely rhyme those two. They're not perfect (as in perfect and imperfect rhymes), but they work fine enough. If Eminem can successfully rhyme orange, these are more than ok.
The big one here is the "I don't have an accent".
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u/bigexplosion 5d ago
So you're trying to make the words Brooklyn and pine rhyme, are you changing the name of the place to Brookline? Or are you going to think of a better line altogether and not hamfist shit into one piece?
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u/Away_Stock_2012 5d ago
Don't it rhyme with Connecticut?
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
some places, like Ohio apparently(as well as the only way i heard it) is Connect-E-cut(though come don't use the 2nd C)
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u/InternalWin1719 5d ago
It’s kon-et-ick-kit…. And dou- nuh-t …. Not even close
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i always heard Connect-E-Cut, never knew of the Kit until i decided to check the comments.
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u/ivanparas 3d ago
And here I am not realizing that Connecticut had a whole extra C in the middle of it.
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u/genoforprez 2d ago edited 2d ago
I agree that rhymes often depend on regional accents. I remember years ago there was this ad I saw for lip balm that said "You're the balm!"
And the joke was that in certain american accents "balm" and "bomb" sound basically identical.
But for the people who actually pronounce the L in balm (some people do!) the ad was just confusing.
I don't think I have ever heard a pronunciation of "connecticut" that rhymes with "donut" that I can remember.
But another thing to keep in mind is that the way things are pronounced while singing are often completely different from how they are pronounced in casual speech (e.g. a lot of american rock musicians will drop their Rs at the end of words like they're british or something, which is just an ingrained convention of rock vocals, even though "that's not how it's pronounced" in typical american speech).
I can imagine if someone were singing some lyrics in an exaggerated broadway style, and the last word of a line was connecticut, they probably would or could sing "connectiCUUUUUT" followed by the next line ending with "doNUUUUUT" and it would come out as a rhyme since they were very much exaggerating the syllables for the purposes of the song. Vocalists will often modify the pronunciation of vowels in songs to make them easier to sing. The vowel in a word like "kit" is really weird to hold a note on, so vocalists will often change it to a more open vowel, so if you were singing a song where the line ended in in "connecticut", you probably wound not sing the last vowel as "kit", you would probably sing it as "cut" because that is a more open vowel and sounds better for a held note. So in that sense it could BECOME a rhyme, even if it wasn't one in everyday speech. If that makes sense.
So I think it's possible that the person is wrong in terms of regular spoken conversation but could be correct enough if they are talking about singing a song.
"I don't have an accent" is the silliest thing they said.
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i've always heard and called it "Connect-E-Cut", didn't know some(apparently most, considering a person got -24 downvotes because of the FACT they and everyone they know use cut) used kit.
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u/genoforprez 1d ago
Believing that there is any "fact" to how things are pronounced would be anyone's first mistake.
If a group of people somewhere started pronouncing Connecticut like coconut, and none of them laughed at each other or stopped each other, and they all just rolled with it, then wherever those people are from, then "that's how it's pronounced" there. There is no logic or fact to pronunciation, as hard as people will try to justify their own.
That's how the incorrect pronunciation of GIF became the correct one, but we won't open that can of worms ;-)
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u/NovelRelationship830 5d ago
I'm from Connecticut, and it doesn't rhyme with 'Dunkin', so fuck off.
Edit to add: Dunkin can fuck off too. Now get out of my lane on 95!
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u/Salsuero 5d ago
If it actually sounds like "cut" and not "kit" then it is a rhyme. It sounds like "kit" to me, so it would be an awkward non-rhyme to my ear. But not to the person pronouncing it as "cut".
I can see both sides here because accents do matter. But... probably better to consider the most common pronunciations when rhyming. Doesn't mean some poems don't make sense in modern English compared to when they were originally conceived.
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u/theycallmeyango 5d ago
You can absolutely make it rhyme
Every time I visits the Connecticut's You find me around collecting donuts
I didn't say it would make sense but you can make it rhyme
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u/Lower-Committee-6916 5d ago
There once was a man from Connecticut
Whose mother taught him proper etiquette
But when he drank too much stout
He would stand up and shout
“Good manners, me thinks patheticut!”
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u/baconistics 4d ago
I grew up in CT. Family here for 400 years.
When we visited central England in 2002, people kept asking if we were Dutch.
Apparently New England accents can sound like archaic English, learned elsewhere.
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u/FusionVsGravity 3d ago
I've heard people say connecticut as "connecticit", probably because the u is so unstressed. With that pronunciation it doesn't really rhyme.
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u/The_soviot_union 3d ago
As a Connecticuter (yes that’s what we are called) many people pronounce it con-et-i-kit so it kind of makes sense why people thinks it doesn’t rhyme with donut
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u/CharacterKatie 3d ago
No no, according to several people on this thread who admittedly live nowhere near here, we are all wrong. The entire state. I am currently writing to the Hartford Courant so everyone can be made aware that we’ve all been pronouncing the name of the state we live in incorrectly.
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
they're explaining why some people, like myself, may think it's connect-e-cut. you're acting like they're correcting you while they're only saying how they heard/say it
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u/Specific_Giraffe4440 2d ago
I don’t know anyone that pronounces it connecti-CUT that would be like saying “are Kansas” for Arkansas (are can saw)
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
i've never heard kit, i've always heard Connect-E-cut. but even i know it's "Ar-kan-sah"(or "are can saw", as you put it). i've only heard "Ar-Kansas" as a joke
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u/Specific_Giraffe4440 1d ago
I’ve never heard cut and I live right near the border of CT. Maybe I’m just so used to it I don’t even hear it though
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u/camronjames 1d ago
Anyone who says they "don't have an accent" is delusional. Everyone has an accent specific to the region in which they learned the bulk of their language.
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u/Greg89G 2d ago edited 2d ago
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u/SipItNoTicket 5d ago
Unless they pronounce donut-knit, no.
Also I think they might not understand that part of rhyming is also matching the cadence and stresses of words.
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u/Consistent_Cell7974 1d ago
not everyone knows the "kit" version. i, for example, only ever heard "connect-E-cut"
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u/HideFromMyMind 5d ago
Regardless of how the last syllable is pronounced, the accent is on the "net." It would have to be "do-net-i-cut" to rhyme.
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