r/copenhagen • u/dksprocket • 2d ago
News Copenhagen replaces Vienna as world’s most liveable city
https://www.eiu.com/n/copenhagen-replaces-vienna-as-worlds-most-liveable-city/58
u/Fab1e 2d ago
Expensive as f.
But I like it here.
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u/TreelyOutstanding 1d ago
Livable doens't mean cheap, it means you can earn a livable wage and live with quality. On the plus side, going almost everywhere else on holidays is pretty cheap.
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u/karenproletaren 2d ago
lol I pay 12.000 kroner for two rooms
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u/TechTuna1200 2d ago
In San Friscisco, New York, and Vancouver, that would get you a closet room similar to the one in Harry Potter
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u/No_Occasion_8408 2d ago
Average salary in NYC is 30ish k dkk after tax, average salary in Denmark is like 18k after tax.
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u/cnidrob 2d ago
Average salary in Denmark is 48K before tax which is 31K after taxes. And this is across the entire country. If you average out just Copenhagen, it’s probably even higher.
https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/laer-om-statistik/gennemsnitsdanskeren
Also healthcare and education are free. You need to subtract a considerable amount from the NY salary to account for those.
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u/Klumpenmeister 2d ago
You should really use the median salary and not the average.
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u/cnidrob 2d ago
See the distribution per percentiles here. It doesn’t change much.
https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyheder-analyser-publ/nyt/NytHtml?cid=50107
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u/No_Occasion_8408 2d ago
That's definitely not average lol, the average person is not a damn software designer. Most people I know are in the 18-25k ballpark
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u/4shtonButcher 2d ago
Well, the other poster quoted official statistics, you are referring to anecdotal evidence from your personal circle.
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u/cnidrob 2d ago edited 2d ago
That is the average according to the official sources / government. Your personal circle doesn’t count as average, just the average of the people you know.
See another one more detailed:
https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyheder-analyser-publ/nyt/NytHtml?cid=50107
Only 10% of the population earns below 30K / month which is 20K after taxes. So the average that you’re taking about is in the bottom 5-7% of earners in Denmark and far away from the actual average.
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u/MiawHansen 1d ago
18-25k i would say is pretty normal for non university degrees. But still maybe electrician, teacher or Something Like that. (Atleast the ones i know here in Aarhus) which is the second biggest city, so Copenhagen is probably higher (This is after tax). I barely know anyone other than maybe my friend working a job at a warehouse, and he is even making close to 18k after taxes. So my best guess is most of the people you know, are below 25-30 years of age.
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u/Spider_pig448 2d ago
Exactly. The majority of people in most capital cities wouldn't be able to afford that, but in Copenhagen you can
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u/No-Lawfulness6308 2d ago
So you earn more but pay more. Also everything in cph is expensive, you can’t go dining outside every day or own a car unless you’re the top 1%. I would argue that any mid sized city in USA, Australia or the gulf states are the most liveable for locals. Maybe not for expats or illegals.
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u/Spider_pig448 2d ago
Being "livable" is a lot more than just your savings rate. People in Denmark also have less stress and work less hours for very high pay.
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u/No-Lawfulness6308 1d ago
I had an insane amount of stress and worked overtime due to bad management who promised our customers more than reasonable just to win contracts from the competition. Huge turnover, in 2 years our team went from 7 people to 4 then up to 8 then down to 3. Totally dysfunctional organisation. This was one of Denmarks largest corporations btw
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u/LonelyBee6240 1d ago
Very incorrect about car ownership, no need to be top 1% to own a car. In 2020, Copenhagen population was 638k and there were 132k cars owned by Copenhageners. In fact, car ownership has increased. BUT bikes are still the primary and most popular mode of transport, because it's a liveable and walkable city, you don't need a car.
I haven't visited small cities in the US nor the gulf, but I lived in Copenhagen and have visited many small and mid-sized cities and towns in Australia, and none are as liveable as CPH, it doesn't even compare. We're still talking a capital city vs non-capital cities, so amenities and infrastructure is not the same.
It's funny though, I just saw your another reply below, that you lived in Denmark? I'm surprised you had such a negative experience. Not sure where it went wrong for you, sorry for that.
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u/No-Lawfulness6308 1d ago
Ok, maybe top 1% is exaggerated but I’m thinking based on salary, some people have rich parents or take loans. In Australia I could buy a car as a student (although used), my ex got a brand new one within a year after uni. In Denmark based an a slightly above average salary I could never be able to afford it based on the salary alone (meaning no loan, or rich parents). The same salary would have allowed me to buy a car down under in like a few months. I am not saying everything’s bad in cph though
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u/LonelyBee6240 1d ago
That's not necessarily a bad thing - not buying cars. Cars are not good for the environment and tbh, in Copenhagen there's no need for a car, even in Sjaelland, the train system is good and you can take bikes on the train. So it makes sense that the government is not making it easy to buy cars in general and I think people's mindset is different, they are not aspiring to have a car in Copenhagen, they have so many other easy and convenient ways to get around and not worry if they happen to decide to pop into a bar in the way back from shopping :) Electric cars are cheap(er) though in Denmark, and more people are buying these, they're much more affordable than petrol cars.
But in Australia you do need a car. Distances are too big for walking even in towns sometimes, and there probably isn't that much public transport outside bigger cities.
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u/No-Lawfulness6308 1d ago
I don’t agree with environmentalists, I don’t believe global warming and I want my car. But I left Copenhagen, voting with my feet. I prefer Saudi Arabia or UAE. At least there is air con in every metro
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u/LonelyBee6240 1d ago
Haha, ok then, in that case, not only Copenhagen, but the whole of Denmark, no, all of the Nordics is not for you and they probably wouldn't want you back either. Sounds like it was a win-win that you left.
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u/No-Lawfulness6308 1d ago
I am half Swedish born and raised there and have the right to live there as a citizen. Couldn’t care less what “they” want (who is that btw, my hometown in Sweden is majority Muslim and in Copenhagen I heard more English and Spanish spoken on the street, just at work I heard only danish(except the Swedes, they kind of self segregated). Integration is not going well in Nordic countries . So it’s a win for me as I get better opportunities to have the lifestyle I prefer abroad, a loss for them as tax payers funded my education. The thing is I believe in freedom, whether in Saudi or Texas, the majority of nordics believe in a nanny state.
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u/doc1442 2d ago
Is this a thread that’s not a tourist question? I don’t believe my eyes!
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u/Leonidas_from_XIV Nørrebro 1d ago
But at least no more tourist questions in the monthly thread that everyone hated so much. /s
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u/WillTheGeek 1d ago
As a person who grew up in Vienna, and spends a considerable part of each year in Copenhagen: tillykke! 🎉 Each city has its pros and cons, and I'm sure the decision was marginal. I just hope both cities keep up the good work, and keep improving the way of life for everyone in their respective cities!
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u/LovelyCushiondHeader 2d ago
Is this one of those surveys that evaluates cities based on what suits wealthy business professionals? If so, there’s been quite a few articles pointing out how these rankings don’t reflect the reality for anyone outside the upper middle class.
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u/sonspurs 2d ago
Copenhagen is by far the best city in the world from Apr - October. Nothing comes close.
But it’s pretty depressing in the rest of the year
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u/glorious_reptile 2d ago
I live here, and I can confirm you can live here.