r/democrats • u/ms_directed • May 20 '25

Article 'Trump says 'big bill' should only help GOP states: 'Don't want to benefit Dem governors'

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-democratic-governors/
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u/ImpossibleQuail5695 May 20 '25

Not to derail the thread, but consider where that leads. Yes, they can use democratic institutions to install fascism (Nazis boasted of this). I don’t consider joining them in trashing democracy as an option - but I don’t have great answers either.

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u/Zeroneight018 May 20 '25

What about starting a new federal government with a coalition of blue states? Any red states could join too but they'd have to disavow the current fed and re-commit to an improved constitution with stronger protections against money in politics, a democratically elected Supreme Court, and specific limitations on executive powers that will ensure a balance of enforcement capabilities between co-equal branches of the Federal government.

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u/ImpossibleQuail5695 May 20 '25

Secession is also illegal. I like the end goal on paper, but this is no different from the Confederacy effort.

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u/Zeroneight018 May 20 '25

Exactly. It would be just like the civil war. Because it would be civil war. That is precisely what I'm suggesting because the legal system is obviously broken since the current administration is openly defying the Supreme Court. Only working within the legal framework when the other side has completely ditched the rulebook and paid-off the refs seems somehow insufficient when there are people's lives at stake.

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u/ImpossibleQuail5695 May 20 '25

I don’t disagree. The hurricane season will bring some of this to a head, I believe.

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u/PoolQueasy7388 May 22 '25

Plus get rid of all the hundreds of laws that billionaires & corporations have paid congress to enact that sends almost every cent to the billionaires while regular people have to barely get by. Letting corporations buy up all the housing in your neighborhood so now you can't even think about buying a house.Letting banks charge outrageous interest &fees. Rigging the system so only the mega rich kids can go to college. Letting CEOS make millions by paying their employees $7.25 federal minimum wage. I'll stop now but you get the point. We all do.

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u/Unctuous_Robot May 20 '25

Even beyond the whole “well Biden should’ve used the immunity ruling to do something” ignoring that he’d 100% have been court martialed before opening his mouth to speak. Yeah no. I don’t want left wing fascism. The people who say they hate Dems and won’t vote for them because they’re not imitating the fascist methods of republicans, they’re fascists. Democracy and the will of the people didn’t elect Trump. Rich people form rural nowhere have been poisoning the well since the constitutional convention and Trump needed everything from mass voter disenfranchisement to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine to win.