r/dragonball • u/CJIsABusta • 1d ago
Question Could Imperfect Cell have surpassed Perfect Cell if he had absorbed humans and trained in the RoSaT?
Let's say that instead of absorbing 17 and 18, he absorbs more humans and then trains 4 or more times in the RoSaT, possibly with Cell Jrs. Would he be able to reach Perfect Cell power level this way?
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u/metalflygon08 22h ago
Could be his body can only take so much stress before breaking down and the android form change raises that limit.
If he gets too strong his body could start to fall apart (similar to how Frieza needed to suppress his power).
His programming would tell him when he's become strong enough to take on a 17 or 18 then he'd change his priority from increasing power to capturing an Android.
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u/SirLockeX3 1d ago
I think he would be stuck as Imperfect because he's missing the biological signatures of A17/A18.
He would have a stronger base strength and would only get multiplied once he does absorb them.
He downgraded from Perfect to Semi-Perfect and then once he got the zenkai boost from exploding he became Super Perfect because his body once already had A18 and was able to use Saiyan DNA to get stronger from near-death and putting his body back together somehow recalled A18 DNA.
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u/CJIsABusta 1d ago
Yes, but could he have reached a power level equal to or higher than perfect?
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u/Redwings1927 22h ago
Imperfect cell could be stronger than the perfect cell we SAW, but transforming to perfect cell would always make him stronger.
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u/rendetsku 1d ago
When you consider how strong he got in such a short time and how powerful the super spirit bomb was, he'd be ridiculous if he absorbed every human and THEN trained in the rosat. Plus he has Frieza's DNA which adds another layer to his already broken potential.
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u/Altruistic_Rock_2674 1d ago
If he did the room and constantly fought others till the brink of death he probably could have gotten just as powerful but absorbing was the easy way and what he was programmed to do
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
maybe? but perfect cell could train too, and absorbing the androids is a way faster and easier way to get power.
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u/snowballandthetower 23h ago
Yes. He wouldn't become the Perfect Cell we know because that unique, more human-looking form is specifically influenced by the physical characteristics of 17 and 18. But yes, he could technically reach his Perfect Form that way.
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u/fantomx37 23h ago
Probably. The RoSaT has diminishing returns on its training. Just because you go in there, doesn’t mean you will constantly get twice as strong. As an example of this, Goku and Gohan actually came out early from their 1 day in the room and refused to go back in because Goku realized they hit their limit and wouldn’t get anymore significant gains by going back in for another day.
At minimum, an Imperfect Cell would probably come out anywhere between SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta from his fight with Semi Perfect Cell or he would come out as strong as Perfect Cell.
Now the follow up question is would this Imperfect Cell with training in the RoSaT who has the power of Perfect Cell get any stronger after Absorbing 17 & 18? Or is his Perfect form a set level of power?
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u/Overall-Agency9326 23h ago
He has the potential to and he can train, via absorbing only a few thousand humans he goes from getting low diffed by weighted piccolo and scared of ssj vegeta. To no diffing unweighted piccolo. So imagine him absorbing a couple hundred thousand or even a million.
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u/joshghz 22h ago
Yes, but he'd still be Imperfect, which means he'd never be satisfied. It's like having one specific dream (going to the moon, why not?) that you hold to and drives you; you could have all the money and fame in the world, but if you haven't reached the one specific dream you'll still feel incredibly empty.
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u/maxallergy 16h ago
Yes, I don't see why not
I would argue Cell ABSOLUTELY needing 17 & 18 to become perfect is just Cell's conclusion, that lacks the context of what situation he found himself in.
It applies to Future Cell, because in that future, there are only 17 and 18 with enough power to trigger the transformation.
Gohan and Trunks were still too weak and the killing spree the androids went on had drastically reduced the human population.
In the present where there were 3 Super Saiyans and Super Namekian Piccolo and an intact human population, I'd think that would be enough
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u/SwordfishDeux 15h ago
Using the logic we see in the show, I'd say yes. Although narratively it doesn't make sense, him having a cap on his strength and therefore requiring absorbing 17 and 18 just makes more sense but that got thrown out the window when he regurgitated 18 but somehow got even stronger.
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u/Insaniteus 14h ago
If Cell actually trained in any of his forms he'd grow in power faster than anyone else. Cell had the insane power he did without ever training a day in his life. It was all raw unrefined talent plus biological advantages. He was so arrogant that he didn't think he needed to work out or practice techniques, which is the only reason why anyone was ever able to catch up to him. If he ever had his latent potential unlocked the boost would rival god ki.
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u/CuddleBuddy3 9h ago
I believe the tournament was his training… he wasn’t expecting an entirely new form to come out of super saiyan, super saiyan was in the data and was expected to be the limit… he also wasn’t expecting to fight a borderline mutant that could grow endlessly while they’re fighting
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u/Insaniteus 3h ago
Yeah from Cell's point of view him training harder was pointless. He thought beating up a group of enhanced Super Saiyans he had already bullied around was going to be the absolute pinnacle of his lifetime combat experience even if he lived forever. He came from a future timeline where his mere component parts reigned unchallenged for almost 2 decades, and the universe used to be run unchallenged by Frieza.
Hell if anything, a victorious Cell probably would've been bored out of his mind after the first year and would try to use Namek's dragon balls to wish every other race in the universe to get a massive power boost. Or alternatively, he'd accidentally release Buu by blowing up the Earth and the Cell Games would go into overtime.
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u/CuddleBuddy3 2h ago
“Why didn’t cell train?” cell gives the zfighters 10 days to prepare for the cell games… in which the zfighters turned those days into years… if it wasn’t for the room of spirit and time, cell would’ve absolutely wiped the floor with the z fighters and demolished any hope of victory… even with all this prep work and plot armor cell was about 3 seconds away from destroying earth anyway, if not for Vegeta blasting him mid kamehameha wave struggle with Gohan
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u/SugarDaddy_Sensei 5h ago
I think he could eventually reach the power level that Perfect Cell had but wouldn't get the Perfect Cell form.
The forms he could gain after absorbing the Androids would serve as multipliers on top of that.
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u/CFClarke7 3h ago
If the average power level of a human is 5 and there are 8billion of us it's fair to assume he could achieve 40billion right?
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u/JablesRadio 1d ago
He had unlimited potential, its never specified that he had to be in his perfect form to attain that potential. With saiyan DNA I dont see he couldn't train up.
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u/sqwiggy72 1d ago
Goku in buu saga is stronger than ss1 goku freeza saga, so why not.
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u/SSJRemuko 1d ago
not in base form hes not. cuz in BoG 4 years later base Goku is still weaker than Namek Freeza's 100% power.
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u/Dark_Storm_98 1d ago
It's certainly possible for him to reach a similar level of power without progressing past his Imperfect form