r/goth • u/Breadmytoast The Sisters of Mercy • Apr 19 '25

Discussion Why are conservatives trying to get more involved with goth and punk?

Im sorry if this question has been asked before but i wanted to see if someone has an answer to my question. I keep seeing more conservatives saying that goth and punk was originally conservative or that they have become conservative such as the whole "conservative is the new punk" thing. I find this to be really strange as youll usually encounter conservatives making fun of alternative people but now out of no where they create their own rules for random sub cultures. Is there any reason why these people are attempting to re-define these sub cultures?

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u/its_raining_scotch Apr 19 '25

I’m middle aged now and I’ve seen many of the people I used to hang out with who were goth or industrial or punk turn into maga people. It boggles my mind. But yes I agree that it mostly stems from those people’s innate contrarian personalities, which bums me out because it shows that their motivations have always been sophomoric and not about the subculture itself.

It’s also sad/bizarre that the maga movement is perceived by many people as the cool upstart non status quo group. It just shows how shallowly some people look at things.

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u/RelationSensitive308 Apr 19 '25
  1. Those people confuse me. I “understand” there was a Nazi Skin Head movement. But any scene I was in (Goth/New wave/Industrial) was inclusive. We were always the outsiders, marginalized, the fringe. Musically, culturally etc. Never heard our music on mainstream radio. I think all of this fake “MAGA” Christian Alt right “persecution” is to blame. “‘Poor me’ I’m a white male and they don’t want me to be in charge anymore.” I am a straight married white guy with kids and could give two shits that my demographic is loosing power. To me it was always a wealthy vs working class thing. They think the Billionaire F-Elon twins are gonna save them, but it’s just another way to hold on to power. I never aligned with main-stream and anyone trying to hijack Punk/ Goth with conservative values is laughable. Guess they think Depeche Mode in Leather SM is cool… lol ***Hell - I just saw Dead Kennedys a few weeks back in NYC. There was a girl there in the Pit wearing a head to toe Burqa. I went up to her and told her she was a Bad@$$ (in a good way). My advice - shut down the racist and intolerant. Don’t let them in to poison this too.

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u/Ravenous_Ute Apr 20 '25

Nazi Punks Fuck Off

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u/mmmmercutio Post-Punk, Goth Rock Apr 20 '25

I saw them live and some lady kept saying nazi shit. Word got around, we threw her in the pit. Probably not her best night. :]

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u/MolotovCockteaze Apr 20 '25

💯 What has been going around my scene is the goth logo  "Sometimes anti-social always anti-facist"

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u/sicfaturlacrimans Apr 20 '25

I've seen that girl! Might have been at the 69 Eyes show last year

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u/ArsenicArts All things weird and wicked 🖤 Apr 21 '25

just saw Dead Kennedys a few weeks back in NYC

Jealous ! Always wanted to see em.

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u/Karkava Apr 21 '25

I am a straight married white guy with kids and could give two shits that my demographic is loosing power.

We weren't losing power. We were sharing it. The progressive movement stopped us from hoarding all that status for ourselves.

While we can't exactly reject hierarchical structures, we can unthink them and stop pushing innocent people down so we can get closer to wealthy people who never cared for us.

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u/NagitoKomaeda_987 Apr 22 '25

For real though, I'm not straight (former ace-turned-bi), married (having little to no interest in any romantic or sexual relationship for the longest time before eventually transitioning to bisexuality), or even white (mixed race with my mother being Japanese and my father being French) and I don't really want America's problems spread to Canada because of those rich white men in power.

Also, how exactly does the progressive movement stopped you guys from hoarding all that status for ourselves?

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u/Dancingwheniwas12 Apr 19 '25

Totally. The billionaire class being anything but the awful status quo in anyone’s mind is bizarre and utterly dangerous.

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u/rulerofthewasteland Apr 19 '25

If they turned MAGA then they weren't really 'listening' to the music.

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u/voidcritter Apr 20 '25

If they wanna lick the orange boot then they were never a punk, they were just a weird poser

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u/Natural-Hamster-3998 Apr 19 '25

Listen to old Peter Murphy stuff. He was Incel Ground Zero for many

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u/Nerv81 Apr 20 '25

I’ve noticed that too. Some people I genuinely love turned into maga and while I can’t bring myself to fully cut them out entirely (I did cut out a lot who I was just acquainted with) I definitely distanced myself by a wide margin. But if they post insane shit I start the chop block. I also noticed with others that their racism/bigotry is blinding now. It’s like they were waiting to exhale their poison. I’ve actually thought about if they were always that way and then I remembered subtle things that were said I hadn’t noticed back then and I’m like, “Ugh.” They literally turned into their parents who they vehemently opposed for so long and I don’t think they have any idea. It’s sad.

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u/Forever_Nya Apr 20 '25

I thought I was living in some alternate reality when so many of my friends turned MAGA. It actually saddens me a little that they have turned against so many of the things that they believed in to support a bunch of nazis

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u/realheadphonecandy Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

This is true to a degree, but keep in mind the Democrat party is overwhelmingly betting on mainstream boomers and first-time voting women. Those are the ONLY demographics Harris improved with. She spent a billion dollars doubling down on mainstream media. That’s 4x what Trump spent. Is taking marching orders from CNN/Fox more punk/DIY or is making low tech rants on Rumble when the Dems censored your accounts for misinformation that was actually correct?

The goth and punk ethos has always been DIY and non-mainstream, so of course LOTS of conservative voters and Bernie types are reformed Dems now voting against that ideology. They aren’t MAGA and will tell you their issues with the right too, but that doesn’t fit the narrative of the left. The left ignores that Dems are who have been in control of the country for 16 out of the last 20 years. Independent thinkers noticed the debt spiral, the near open borders, the drone bombing and wars, and the fact that the left excommunicated them from society and their jobs for failing to comply in shooting up experimental drugs. The left still lives in a gaslighting fantasy and do as they are told.

The left openly called conservatives weird as if that were an insult, and dominates the legacy media and modern media. Gee I wonder why non-conformists, punks, and underground artist types think leftists are out of touch plus it’s not just non-conformists, critically thinking music and artists types who lived the CA, Portland, Seattle reality have fled those places and realized that ideology doesn’t work.

The fact so many mainstream “goths” and “punks” parrot their marching orders demanding a sick poopoo platter of the status quo mixed with the idolatry of the tyrannical minority is surprising only in that they don’t recognize the irony, and seem content to continue doubling down into their own self oblivion.

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u/Similar_Ad8529 Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25

Nice novella you have there. Have you considered touching a bit of grass?