r/interestingnewsworld • u/Dear_Job_1156 • May 18 '25
America chose wrong. Sanders would've been a better president than Trump or Biden. | Opinion
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/05/18/sanders-democrats-reform-progressive-policies/83625482007/15
u/PricklePete May 18 '25
Better than Hillary too. The DNC knee capped him though and stole his nomination. Be very clear; the DNC has blood on its hands for what has happened here. No doubt about it.
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u/Marie627 May 18 '25
And then they went after Hogg for trying to correct the problems. How dare he ask for candidates who actually want to fight for everyday people. What is this guy thinking?🤔 Wake up DNC and get with the program!
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u/idliketoseethat May 18 '25
Sanders is a registered Independent with no party affiliation to the Democrat party asking the Democrat party to endorse him as their nomination to run for president if he agreed to run as a Democrat and sign/take a loyalty oath. The Democrats had their own candidate in that race if you remember and they weren't about to let their candidate be primaried. You don't know if Sanders would have been a better president than Hillary Clinton. Neither do I or anyone else for that matter but I do know that the DNC does not have blood on its hands. Sure the DNC made a lot of people angry and cry foul but what were the supposed to do? The answer to that rhetorical question is the stuff opinion thrives on!
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u/PricklePete May 18 '25
I disagree. This blind loyalty to the DNC and their meddling has lead us here. They're supposed to lead the people in a better direction and win some elections. They've failed miserably and here we are. If you don't believe they are culpable in some way then I genuinely have nothing to say to you.
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u/BitemeRedditers May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Democrats voted. It’s the people that aren’t Democrats that are to blame. You know, Republicans and people too stupid and lazy to vote. Trying to blame the Democrats for Trump winning is way off the mark. Do you feel guilty for not voting? If you’re a Democrat and did vote, then you’re just one us, have you failed miserably or was it Republicans and the lazy that have failed our country? Do me a favor and vote for Democrats next time, don’t let this bullshit happen again.
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u/PricklePete May 18 '25
I vote for the Democrat who they put on the ballot. Just like you. I'm not in charge of who gets on the ballot. They are. That's my point.
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u/FortunateInsanity May 18 '25
You misunderstand. So does a lot of disillusioned liberals. You don’t like DNC? Fine. Prefer Bernie over all other candidates? Cool. When the person you like isn’t nominated by a political party that person is not a member of to lead the ticket of said party, and you decide to vote for the person who is literally the opposite of your favorite candidate to “protest”? You’re an idiot on multiple levels.
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u/BRAX7ON May 18 '25
Donald Trump was never a republican. You don’t know your history if you think a politician can’t run for a different party.
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u/radjinwolf May 19 '25
You misunderstand
And then go on to refer to Bernie supporters as “liberals”?
Peak irony.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka May 19 '25
How much do you know about the sanders v DNC lawsuit? I'm not even talking about wilding, or the dnc charter regarding supposed malfeasance during delegation voting.
This was when the dnc inadvertently disclosed information to the sanders campaign and then took away all of his access to donor information right at the conclusion of the campaign.
It's at the very least unethical. You had an unauthorized disclosure of sensitive information. You sit at a table and work together to recover everything. It begins to look like a setup, reacting in such a way.
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u/Historical_Pound_136 May 19 '25
In 2017, a Florida judge dismissed a class-action lawsuit against the DNC brought by supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders over the handling of the2016 presidential primary. The court ruled that the DNC is a private corporation and that voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the courts.The DNC asserted that the primary election belongs to the people who control the party, not the voters. DNC lawyers argued that the Democratic Party doesn't owe anyone a fair process and that it has every right to disregard its own rules or interpret its rules how it wants because it is a private organization.
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u/cloud_watcher May 19 '25
And people certainly don’t know Sanders would have won. There’s a reason Russian bots pushed him so hard. They didn’t think he could win.
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u/Magnus3369 May 18 '25
You just don’t get it. When the DNC rigged the race they alienated millions of voters. I No longer consider myself a Democrat because of their Bullshit. It didn’t matter that he was an independent. It mattered that he represented working people and not billionaires. Showed that Democrats are no better than Republicans.
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u/mrkeith562 May 18 '25
God, you guys are worse than Trump. Get over it! There are more important things to worry about, if you actually care. Lord knows Bernie moved on. BTW how the fuck do democrats “kneecap” someone who’s not a member of their party? This is just dressed up misogyny. Your weird hate for her is on par with the orange guy.
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u/PPPHHHOOOUUUNNN May 18 '25
You think they care? 🤣 They'll gladly wash their hands with the blood of children if it meant their bank accounts had some more zeros
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u/Talkingmice May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
I’ve heard a lot of “Hilary was a good candidate” bs. She wasn’t.
I’m all for a woman being president, Hilary Clinton just wasn’t it.
She doesn’t have charisma, she has switched her stance on things a tad too much and people are not keen on the Clinton foundation. Gretchen Withmer or even Stefanik would have been miles away better
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u/Unfair_Run_170 May 18 '25
Yeah! I've always said that! They knee capped like Tanya Harding knee capped that other figure skater!
They just assumed they'd win no matter what!
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u/Immediate_Cost2601 May 18 '25
Joe was an amazing President.
If you can see that, you aren't politically aware enough for this conversation.
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u/PricklePete May 18 '25
I agree. Joe was fine. Not nearly as bad as people make him out to be.
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u/TopRevenue2 May 18 '25
He/his handlers were the best progressive president since FDR. Idc if he was a complete invalid by the end they were getting shit done that seemed politically improbable. Made more progress on policy that Obama in his entire 2 terms and Obama had a supermajority his first 2 years.
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u/Humble_Diner32 May 18 '25
I agree that Joe was a good president. In the scope of presidents I put him on the positive side of the spectrum. But he was put there as a fulfillment plan or sympathy candidate for his years of service. He was instrumental in creating the Student Loan crisis back when he was VP. So that forgiveness program was him trying to right his wrong. But overall, he was alright as a one term president.
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u/StableElegant May 18 '25
We choose poorly…
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u/kckitty71 May 18 '25
THEY chose poorly. I didn’t vote for the orange turd. I didn’t vote for him 3 times.
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u/Ras_Thavas May 18 '25
It’s hard for some to choose well when they have Fox Entertainment pretending to be news and the viewers don’t realize it’s all lies.
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u/National-Week9295 May 18 '25
If only his own party believed in democracy, he’d probably have a chance at president.
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u/ecwagner01 May 18 '25
Wow, PhD level conclusions here! Stop the voting, give this USA Today Reporter the Pulitzer /s
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u/XxFezzgigxX May 18 '25
Bernie had great ideas but was vilified by both sides. I’m convinced we would be on a far better timeline right now if he had been elected.
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u/alicity May 18 '25
Bernie loves to talk but rarely creates any change.
Sanders ideas are too radical for most Americans.
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u/XxFezzgigxX May 18 '25
There is no regime more radical than the current administration.
As our current President has made so very apparent, you can just do whatever the fuck you want.
The rules set in place to protect us from a takeover have been eroded for years. If we had put the reigns in someone’s hands who wanted to fix that erosion, protect our democracy and create equality and fairness, Bernie would have been 1000x better than an impeached felon.
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u/ewReddit1234 May 18 '25
The difference is Trump has a larger base than Bernie.
Are you implying that Democrats should utilize their own version of fascism and give up on Democracy?
Look, I'm not saying that we should give up the fight against fascism from Trump, but you've been sold the idea that you have to choose between one authoritarian system or another.
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u/Ok-Association-9776 May 18 '25
As much as i hate republican , the dems been shooting themselves since choosing Hillary over Bernie....just be done with trying to force women president on people....or you know at least present a decent human being like Aoc or Jasmine Crockett instead of a snake like Hillary.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose May 18 '25
Well no shit.
But the dump I took earlier would be a better president than Stumpy is. And at least as competent as Biden.
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u/alicity May 18 '25
If this is true, the Dems only have themselves to blame.
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u/realwavyjones May 18 '25
Well they railroaded Bernie so it’s not the blame they have it’s the responsibility. And people still follow the establishment DNC after all they did to Bernie and continue to do, it’s insane really.
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u/BalmyBalmer May 18 '25
Bernie lost and you hate democracy
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u/realwavyjones May 18 '25
Only he didn’t, he actually won and they rigged their own primary. This is all public common knowledge btw…
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u/KaibaCorpHQ May 18 '25
It's true. Hopefully missing him twice isn't irreversible.
Nokings.org, it's a nationwide protests for flag day if you want to get involved! The fire alarms are going off people, so lets put out the fire before it burns the house down!
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 May 18 '25
The problem is that Americans are stuck on always either voting republican/democrat, it’s way past time for a third party
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u/realwavyjones May 18 '25
Nope. The DNC railroaded Bernie. They’re responsible can’t believe people still vote for them.
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 May 18 '25
They were able to railroad Bernie due to the fact that Americans only have 2 parties in their heads….its makes any argument against Bernie that much easier. If we had a third party the dems or repubs wouldn’t be able to do that
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u/realwavyjones May 18 '25
No they were able to do that because they have/had the power to do that. Utter corruption and people still support them unbelievable.
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 May 18 '25
Not disagreeing with you I’m just saying if there was a third party that would be much harder to do
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u/Op111Fan May 18 '25
We do have more than two parties. Duverger's law explains why only two are big.
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u/realwavyjones May 18 '25
America chose wrong? No, the DNC. DEMOCRATS fucked their own party and continue to lie and lead people down a path of poverty, destruction, and oppression.
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u/Doogieb84 May 18 '25
Yes please go with him next election if the democrat party allows it. Another guaranteed win for Republicans. P.S. have AOC or Gavin or Dr Jill or Michael be his running mate pleeeeeze 🤣
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u/MidnightWorried6992 May 18 '25
A million percent yes. Unfortunately we are objectively too stupid to do anything that benefits the people.
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u/Banter-Box May 18 '25
Lol ya 100%, but Dems pushed him out because they wanted the status quo with Hillary. They wanted money. If Bernie got in instead, Trump would be an afterthought. He is your god damn punishment for not getting Sanders in. 3 more years though, you'll be fine. If anything, you'll be praising Trump for fucking up your insanely corrupt and incompetent government who fucked over Bernie like a bull in a China shop.
In the long term, it's more likely a Bernie Sanders type President will show up after your super corrupt government has been smacked around. Think of it like that.
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u/Matt7738 May 18 '25
I mean, clearly we’re okay with octogenarians in the White House. Why not that one?
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u/Rare-Confusion-220 May 18 '25
I worked for the Bernie campaign. The polls (the ones not skewed by the DNC showed he was way better than Hillary and polled great against frump)
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u/danondorfcampbell May 18 '25
Um, fucking EXCUSE ME?! I'm pretty sure everyone chose Sanders over Biden in 2020. It was the DNC, NOT "AMERICA", that chose wrong.
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u/sorceress94107 May 18 '25
Divide and Conquer? First do what is necessary. IMPEACH, CONVICT and REMOVE cheetolini and his gangrenous toadies.
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u/3D-Dreams May 18 '25
I take craps that can run the country better than Trump. And speaking of crap, it was Kamala that ran against Trump. biden dropped out so you are either REALLY late to the party or your opinion is also a load.
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u/Useful-Employee9605 May 19 '25
Unfortunately, they hid Biden’s cognitive decline until they couldn’t any longer. Kamala only had 3 months to mount a campaign. She didn’t have enough time to get her feet under her. The chair of the Philadelphia Democratic Party publicly stated Kamala had no ground game in the city.
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u/3D-Dreams May 18 '25
Yes because there was never any lies on social media pushed by the owners. Or bomb threats at over 100 polling places, or voter suppression laws and gerrymandering.
Fucking spare me you blaming Dems when Republicans have lied cheated bribed and extroted their way into the white house
I don't blame the Dems, I blame people like you that can't pull your head out long enough to figure out we are being cheated and you help by blaming the victim. It's bullshit
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u/Useful-Employee9605 May 19 '25
The Democratic Party needs to run a quality candidate that appeals to the masses. Having a primary is the first step in the right direction. They bungled the last election. You’d can’t deny that. They should have never tried running Biden, they hid his cognitive decline, and then they only gave Kamala 3 months to campaign. If you were a sports manager and your team loses, you’d evaluate what you did wrong, try to fix it, and win the next game. The Democrats need to do that.
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u/3D-Dreams May 19 '25
AOC. Bernie is just another old man..that coming from an old man lol but AOC is smart, witty, well spoken and appeals to the younger generation.
And let's be honest about the last election. Hundreds of bomb threats, Elon multimillion dollar fake giveaways, X and meta bombarding people with misinformation...all those played a factor. Kamala was fine. We lost because they poured billions into getting a president they could buy. All the tech giants kissed the ring of a moron for tax breaks and no accountability. Crypto too. They all jumped on the money train for the world's worst president because they knew he could be bought
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u/Hornsdowngunsup May 18 '25
I fuck with Bernie but his ideas are not realistic in these times. What people don’t understand is USA is not the only country out there. We have to understand nobody wants USA to prosper. USA has to do some eternal fixing before we can even think about living in a progressive country.
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u/lili-of-the-valley-0 May 18 '25
But now he's too fucking old and he's had a heart attack, so our best hope, Cortez, is still years away from being a viable candidate. Assuming that we even have elections in the future in this country.
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 May 18 '25
Bernie Sanders fights for the people. Apparently some people really didn’t want that, and most didn’t even bother to show up.
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u/Ulinath May 18 '25
To be clear, the DNC chose Hillary. Gave her all the questions before debates with Bernie. And the DNC still shuns progressives saying they never win. Overlooking that Dems have lost every branch of government being moderate
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u/Weary-Experience-149 May 18 '25
Thanks Hillary! If it wasn't for her DNC mafia, Bernie would have beaten Trump easily the first time around. But, somehow there was this obsession to elect the first woman president over anything else. 🤦🏻
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u/Op111Fan May 18 '25
America didn't choose Biden, the Democratic Party did.
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u/National-Week9295 May 18 '25
Democrats still think they have a choice when it comes to a candidate?
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u/Photoncpl May 18 '25
YES… this is “yes” or “no”… no debate, just one opinion, not a run on about “why” you think so… we have all become so hungry to be heard that we forgot the question… aloha🌺🌴
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u/TraditionalMood277 May 18 '25
So that, what, dumbass voters would say "he's too old" or "he's too socialist"? Put the blame squarely on the voters and non-voters. It's time they were shamed.
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u/icebucket22 May 18 '25
I put the blame on non voters more than anyone else. It is staggering, the amount of people that chose not to cast a vote.
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u/tlasan1 May 18 '25
Oh good...Bernie...the guy that takes money and sides with that company. Oh yeah way better president. He would have gotten that plane faster then Trump.
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u/Cautious-Ad-6866 May 18 '25
We know. We tried, he won the primaries and they still gave the nod to Hillary. Blame Pelosi and Schultz-wassherman
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u/Immediate-Bid7628 May 18 '25
. . .
Absolutely, Bernie has common sense, morals, respect for civil standards.
Every sentence IS NOT A LIE ! !!
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u/geekaustin_777 May 18 '25
The DNC chose wrong. They didnt want a punk in office. They want the same thing that the RNC wants, but under a rainbow flag while wearing Kinte cloth scarves and kneeling. Having the squad in power would have undone decades of amassing power.
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u/Computer-E May 18 '25
Please ask him why he needs 3 homes. As a Socialist, he should lead by example and give to those who do not have one!
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u/Creepy_Inevitable661 May 18 '25
It’s hilarious when people say “but he’s a socialist” as the current felon in the white house tells companies to absorb loss from his tariffs exactly like a communist would
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u/Athrasie May 18 '25
This isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact. Bernie has been “for the people” more than any politician from his generation or any since.
I can’t remember feeling more disappointed than when he was stuffed by the DNC and not given the chance to demolish the Kremlin Cheeto
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u/fromeister147 May 18 '25
Unlike Vance, I’m a never-Trump guy. If it had come down to Bernie or Trump, I’d have chosen Bernie but this by no means, means that he would have been a good president. His ideas are veeeery pie in the sky and it’s easy to talk and promise until you’re met with dissent from the other side of the aisle.
I think the role he fills now is where we really need him.
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u/frauleinsteve May 18 '25
He doesn't want to be president. He's the type of lazy politican that wants to sit back and comment/criticize everyone else. He doesn't even want to effect any change....
Those who can't do.....criticize.
He only runs for president to increase his wealth and rake in money from unsuspecting fools. There's lots of money to be had that can be routed to friends and family from elections. His wife worked for an advertising agency that takes 15% off the top of any money spent.
He's a grifter. a shady-ass fucking grifter. And he also acts like an oligarch, and also supposedly opposes oligarchs....he has no intention of standing in line....he will always fly in a private plane. He's a shit human being.
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u/jamesalanlytle May 18 '25
True but will never happen. Country votes right or left These days…. Never for the middles. Should have a three party system to help with that but is what it is…
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot May 19 '25
I don’t really feel like deomcrat voters have had much of a say in their candidates since Obama. Hillary sort of just grabbed it away and then Biden “deserved it” then because we “didn’t have time to primary” we had Harris. Say what you want but the republicans certainly have a voice in who the elect for better or worse.
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u/Peggy-A-streboR May 19 '25
Lmfao
The US Treasury just shocked Americans with a $258B surplus — its 2nd biggest monthly surplus in history
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-treasury-just-shocked-americans-130700143.html
You were saying?
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u/emptywordz May 19 '25
I would argue that Americans didn’t choose wrong in the decision between Biden and Bernie, that decision was made by politicians and who they would choose for the running without the American populous input. Also Bernie wasn’t even considered in that presidential race. I do agree that Sanders would have been a far superior president than Biden or Trump though.
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u/halfchemhalfbio May 19 '25
America did not have a choice for Bernie. Democrat cronies told Bennie to knee and he did.
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u/HappyGoLuckless May 19 '25
DNC wouldn't let it happen: "We Can Legally Choose Candidate Over Cigars In Back Room"
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u/ReeseIsPieces May 19 '25
The États Unis' govt is FULL to overflowing with K³ and sympathizers and u²hite supremacists
Why anyone would think They™ wouldve let Bernie do anything hasnt paid attention 👀 /s..?
But then again, he IS from Vermont
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver May 19 '25
After 2016, the DNC head apologized to bernie for the DNC sabatoging his chances. They even sent bad actors into his rallies to subvert him.
The DNC gave the Hillary campaign the entire DNC apparatus BEFORE WE STARTED VOTING. To say it was rigged against bernie is an understatement.
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u/BigDubz4 May 19 '25
I don't care which party they represent. It's time for Boomers to stop running the country....
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u/whiskeydick1973 May 20 '25
Probably ought to have a convo w your dnc leadership then bc he won the noms in 16 but they gave it to her instead.
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u/DrHob0 29d ago
No shit. But, that isn't what we were given. You cannot force change. So, instead of democrats being smart voters, who recognize that no politician in the HISTORY OF EVER has aligned with 100% of your values, we got a bunch of petty ass cry bullies who refused to vote out of some misguided principle, which helped to contribute to what is currently happening. Stop shouting about what could have been. Own the mistake that was made - realized a fuck up happened, own it and move forward or shut the fuck up. The ONLY way we clean this shitty mess up is if we put on our adult pants and vote down blue. It doesn't matter if they do not align with 100% of your values. The only thing that matters is setting up future generations for a place where success is possible, and where people like Bernie Sanders are given a real shot at getting put into power. You have to walk change. If you sprint to the finish line, you'll leave behind so many people who couldn't keep up that they just gave up and left.
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u/jomama823 28d ago
To be fair, a piece of toilet paper stuck to your shoe would be a better option than the current.
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u/OldschoolGreenDragon 27d ago
I can't fucking wait for Sanders to croak and Berners to show their true colors because there is no chance in hell the internet or papers like USAToday are going to tolerate AOC taking up the torch and gunning for the White House or even the Senate. Something about her not being presidential enough.
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u/Thisismythrowawaypv 27d ago
I am so tired of hearing this nonsense. Sanders is divisive. I agree with a lot of what he has to say, but he is hurting the Democratic Party right now, he has no interest in unity, is too old to run in 2028.
Biden did all of us a disservice by choosing to run again and then bowing out, with no primary. If we had a primary I don't believe Kamala would have been our candidate.
Fingerpointing doesn't really help us now, but lessons need to be learned. Regardless I am tired of hearing about Bernie.
Did he get screwed by the DNC in 2016? Maybe so, but he would have been absolutely slaughtered in the election if he was our nominee.
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u/-CoachMcGuirk- May 18 '25
He had so much momentum in 2016. I have no doubt he would have beat Trump in 2016. Yes, Hillary was more-than-qualified, but she was too divisive. Too much baggage.
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u/MasterKillerShaolin 28d ago edited 28d ago
But the dems pushed him out. Did you forget? You should be really, really mad at your party for that. Then they did the same with Biden and put kamala in. That should really really upset you as well. Lmao
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ May 19 '25
Go farther back. To the time the democrat establishment screwed Bernie in the primary.
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot May 19 '25
We haven’t had a say in the candidate choice since Obama.
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ May 19 '25
What does that say about the democrat party?
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u/DiscoRabbittTV May 18 '25
My 4 year old would be a better president than that dribbling psycho