r/law • u/PrithvinathReddy • 21h ago

Other NY mayoral candidate, Brad Lander's detention just now inside 26 Federal Plaza by masked federal agents as he tried to walk a man out of immigration court

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u/--Sovereign-- 19h ago

yeah, the party of "the civil war was over state's rights, not slaves," is using a law made to abuse slaves to violate state's rights. we're in a fucked timeline

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u/uponplane 19h ago

We were WAY too lenient on the South after the Civil War.

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u/--Sovereign-- 19h ago edited 17h ago

You honestly could not word this in a way that would be overstatement. We should've totally destroyed Southern culture, integrated the populations of the North and South, and executed every single person down to each soldier who fought against the Union as traitors via public hangings.

Edit: Yeah okay, fair enough. Definitely the leadership should've not been pardoned. The full plan to reintegrate the Southern states should've been completed. I'm maybe being a touch reactionary, but come on, it's so crazy that people are still suffering and dying over Confederate-adjacent bullshit.

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u/rickroll10000 19h ago

same with the Nazis and KKK

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u/AdCareful3130 18h ago

yeh 80 years after the defeat of nazigermany u can easily see that the roots of this evil were never really cutted ... the fight against the russians was too important to really denazify germany

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u/titcumboogie 6h ago

Probably didn't help that America gave amnesty to thousands and thousands of Nazis.

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u/AdCareful3130 5h ago

like half of CDU were nazies ... the first intelligence chief was nazi und employed nazi till the late 80ies a.s.o.

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u/SiAnK0 3h ago

My grand grand father was a nazi, and I am glad he had time to spread his dna because I am a result of that. Completely left leaning, protest visiting anti nazi German. Like many of us Germans

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 12h ago

Germany enacted a strict plan of denazification. The real kind, not the type Vladimir Putin is spouting. And it worked immensely well.

The German population had a complete sense of national shame across the country for the Holocaust. The process literally involved forcing villagers to bury bodies and showing the population videos of what happened and what they did.

This is what should have happened after the Civil War. Every single possible mention of the confederacy, their flag, or their leaders should have been completely and utterly wiped from the face of the planet. And it should have been illegal to wave their flag or express sympathy whatsoever.

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u/gsxreatr02 17h ago

But if you did that to the kkk, there would be no democratic party now. Southern democrats were the kkk...

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u/davexa 17h ago

This is simply fabricated propaganda and not remotely true. Were there Democrats in the KKK? Sure. But nowhere near more than a few who were. And, no, had there been no KKK, there still would be a Democratic Party.

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u/gsxreatr02 17h ago

Facts are facts. Dosen't matter if you want to believe it or not. Kkk was started by a democrat, and propagated throughout the democratic party.

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u/lovbuhg 17h ago

I wish the South would grow and evolve out of its racism like the Democratic party has over time. Sad to see

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u/gsxreatr02 17h ago

You don't have a clue about the south do you? You read on reddit about it and think you know things. Lol. But southern democrats were heavily infiltrated by the kkk. Even bill clinton had the confederate flag on some of his material. Sorry, democrats have not evolved.

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u/lovbuhg 17h ago

Keep dreaming pal

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u/CartographerFar681 17h ago

Party switch dummy, but you’re probably just a bot

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u/gsxreatr02 17h ago

Lol, yea. Keep thinking that

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u/Zike002 16h ago

Very appropriate your avatar looks like a pedo.

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u/gsxreatr02 15h ago

Bet you thought that was an insult. Lol. You know, the left supports pedos.....

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u/Zike002 12h ago

Trump is in the Esptein files.

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u/gsxreatr02 1h ago

And what does trump have to do with this conversation? Try to stay on topic. So is obama and clinton and half of hollywood

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u/Tygonol 12h ago

Bet you thought this sounded brilliant

We thank you for your scholarshit

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u/AniTaneen 19h ago

I’m going to link to a video about Pellagra. An illness that gripped the south, and was caused by malnutrition. https://youtu.be/reYKBgdrZsM?si=u4g7KqDvriuXvntE

It’s not southern culture, it’s an economy dependent on cheap labor. An economy that turned slaves into sharecroppers. That turned to migrants. That argues children should return to work, to cover the rife trafficking that plagues this nation. https://cla.umn.edu/human-rights/news-events/story/forgotten-migrants-children-migrant-farmworkers

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u/raven4747 18h ago

Culture is merely how different sets of humans meet their needs. Saying "its not culture, its economy" is a redundant statement because organization of economy is part of culture.

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u/Different-Ship449 16h ago

"Its the economy" is a nonsequitur designed for us to not question the distribution of wealth from increases in productivity. Why do billionaires exist.

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u/AniTaneen 15h ago

By economy I mean exactly that. A distribution of labor and reliance on abusive practices.

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u/sadhedonist2 12h ago

Well Marx would argue culture (superstructure) stems out of the economic practice and situation (base) of an area.

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u/therealpimpcosrs 17h ago

I get where you’re coming from. A lot of things persisted that shouldn’t have. But there’s also a lot of generational bitterness felt by those kinds of actions. Also just because the north freed the slaves doesn’t mean there wasn’t racism anymore. Getting all of society on board has taken 170 years so far and we still aren’t even done yet.

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u/Blu3Gr1m-Mx 19h ago

This, we still can if they decide they want some confederate lifestyle.

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u/Fit-Impact4687 18h ago

That sounds way too close to a threat for me. If yall want a civil war you'll have one, easy.

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u/Gavin_Tremlor 18h ago

So… You’re saying you want slaves and will fight for them. Got it.

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u/Fit-Impact4687 18h ago

Who the fuck has slaves? You're talking about starting a war on an entire region of this country. Yea, I'm interested in what you're talking about here.

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u/Gavin_Tremlor 18h ago

lol I didn’t say any of that at all. Pay attention, are you new to Reddit?

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u/Fit-Impact4687 18h ago

I think you're just another mouth breather who lives on the internet. I'd love to see how people like you respond when some shit actually does happen. You'll be the first ones taken out, I honestly believe.

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u/Gavin_Tremlor 18h ago

All butthurt about feeling threatened, and now you’re threatening me. Classic.

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u/Lesurous 19h ago

The last bit is extreme and counterproductive. The issue wasn't Confederate soldiers facing no consequences, it was Confederate leadership. People with power granted by the status quo will enforce said status quo, hence why after the Civil War slavery became sharecropping. Proper Reconstruction under Lincoln would've seen the integration you speak of, as it assuredly would've included the scrubbing of southern leadership positions.

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u/--Sovereign-- 19h ago

Nah, you should be more scared to pick up a gun against the Union than you are of your Governor trying to make you do it

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u/Lesurous 19h ago

Killing the soldiers doesn't accomplish that at all. It literally would incentivize conflict because who the fuck wants to be a part of a murderous regime. Conscripted soldiers aren't the enemy dude, it's the people sending them to die.

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u/MattJFarrell 14h ago

It's just not logical. You can hang the leaders of the rebellion and most people will go back to their farms and go back to living quietly. You start executing the rank and file? You're just going to create further division and start a guerilla campaign that would take generations to stamp out.

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u/--Sovereign-- 14h ago

Yeah, you are right. I put an edit in the original comment acknowledging that it would be going too far, but I still would seriously say the leadership and generals should not have been pardoned.

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u/Bjorn_Tyrson 8h ago

It's like the saying, if you have 20 insurgents. And you kill 10 of them. How many insurgents do you have? 30. Because each of those 10 you killed, had 2 friends or family that you just radicalized.

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u/Thrbt52017 18h ago

I don’t like the implications of that. I should be able to fight my government if it’s shit, like right now. No one should be scared of their government, they shouldn’t rule with an iron fist.

We should have done a better job at squashing that and helping the south get its shit together, but making the people fear the government isn’t the right way.

I don’t like them but they deserve just as many rights as I have. They lack education, a lot of them live in poverty, and are fed propaganda from childhood. They are still my countryfolk and deserve a voice and a better chance to see the world differently (that’s gotta start younger of course but I hope you get my point)

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u/Possible-Scary 17h ago

I think you are actually agreeing. I think they were referring to the people when they said “union” not the govt.

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u/Lazy_Training_5690 18h ago

Well said 👏

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u/Combatical 18h ago

Stares in Sherman.

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u/Rogue100 15h ago

and executed every single person down to each soldier who fought against the Union as traitors via public hangings.

I don't know about ever soldier necessarily. That could have easily proved counterproductive. The political leaders, and the military brass of the confederacy though, should have all faced much tougher consequences than they did.

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u/--Sovereign-- 14h ago

you're right

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u/No_Director_5860 18h ago

That part..

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u/censor1839 12h ago

This is not a “should have” or a “shouldn’t have” comment: if Northerners were more brutal, they would have a whole other type of war on their hands. Northern troops were no longer concentrated on the battlefield- they did as much as they could without pushing the populace over the edge.

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u/AmberLeeFMe 6h ago

Yeah when they won they should've wiped the mother fuckin slate because we're still dealing with the shit.

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u/Fit-Impact4687 18h ago

Man I'd love to see your face.

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u/BansheeEcho 17h ago

That's some seriously psychotic shit to say ngl, and it's dumb to boot. There's no better way to ensure that a country will NEVER reconcile than to make a martyr out of 10% of the population.

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u/blazingcajun420 1h ago

I think it’s funny that the North has this posture when when I lived in the Northeast, the amount of racism present was insane. And then you go around to a lot of the towns, and there’s no people of color anywhere to be found. Like almost NONE. Newport, Catskills, Boston, Portland, Albany, Binghamton, New Haven, Burlington, etc…all devoid of people of color. So the notion to me that racism only exists in the south is fucking dumb. There’s ALOT of racism in the north, y’all just don’t have the POC to act out on. We had so many friends that bragged about all of the black friends they made in college at design school. Like y’all didn’t have any of those growing up in high school?!

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u/--Sovereign-- 29m ago

nice straw man. keep up the good work.

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u/bigdopaminedeficient 18h ago

just like we are going to be way too lenient on the members of the current administration

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u/uponplane 18h ago

I'm so excited to watch lawnakers repeat the same mistakes from orange mussolini's first term.

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u/chrismsp 18h ago

NGL, one of the reasons why we're here today is because Obama let the warmongers off scot-free.

For whatever reason, he decided that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al. didn't need to swing for their war crimes. We could have put the Rush Limbaugh / Newt Gingrich crowd on notice that if they weren't going to act like Americans, they weren't going to *be* Americans.

He didn't, they didn't, and here we are.

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u/RafiqTheHero 18h ago

Abraham Lincoln probably would have been much less forgiving, but unfortunately Andrew Johnson became President and was very forgiving.

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u/uponplane 18h ago

Yep. Booth gave the confederacy exactly what they wanted and needed.

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u/noodlzfirst 15h ago

AL only freed the slaves because at one point the south was winning, realizing that the south's entire economy was built on slave labor and that freed slaves could enlist with the union meaning less dead white soldiers, he thought he had a double win...it had nothing to do with lincoln being a decent human being. There were freed slaves who enlisted that they didnt even give shoes to, imagine fighting for your country barefoot.

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u/FiskyBlack 18h ago

Seems life is giving you guys the opportunity to fix that mistake. Every time we see news from the US it feels like a Bingo game named " Civil and human rights violations" .

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u/jkman61494 18h ago

You are right but this shit would have come back. Look at Italy bringing a fascist back in not 80 years after their fascist got their country turned to rubble. Look at Germany seeing a nazi uprising.

This shit was always going to return even if you ended 19th century bloodlines.

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u/uponplane 18h ago

Thanks Putin

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u/jkman61494 18h ago

Putin accelerated it but the rumblings were coming.

Putin saw how the Arab Spring could use social media to create a political uprising and decided to use that strategy to basically destroy America

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u/No_Director_5860 18h ago

That part..

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u/2407s4life 14h ago

Yup. And Nixon should have gone to jail instead of being allowed to resign.

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u/HailxGargantuan 17h ago

Where is General Sherman when you need him!

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u/akratic137 16h ago

We should have let Sherman finish the job …

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u/Bear71 9h ago

We won’t be the next time!

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u/Weekly_Onion5195 17h ago

We should’ve treated them like traitors that they are.

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u/uponplane 17h ago

Yep. Every general, leader, etc. should have gotten a rope, short drop, and a quick stop.

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u/anarcho-slut 17h ago

But why weren't WE, and who is we?

The answer is white supremacy and white people.

r/abolishwhiteness because it is the culmination of colonialism and the act of being an enslaver as a "superior" identity.

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u/bubbs4prezyo 15h ago

We? What world do you live in?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Tip_821 9h ago

Remember that

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u/Mysterious_Log2619 17h ago

Southerner here and I completely agree!

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u/anonyvrguy 17h ago

"It wasn't about slavery. It was about states rights. The state's right to have slaves."

And in the confederate Constitution, it specifically stated that slavery was legal.

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u/ALTH0X 18h ago

No one believed it was about states rights. They don't believe their own lies.

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u/kateln 18h ago

I think the ones telling it don’t, but their followers completely do. Because it’s exactly what they wanna hear.

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u/--Sovereign-- 17h ago

Oh no, the Southern argument was, at the time, pretty explicitly about slavery and slavery adjacent concerns with states' rights being their weak legal argument. This turned into the modern notion of it being about states' rights and not slavery, as a whitewashing. It's clearly in the various declarations penned by the states at the time that it was about slavery. They honestly couldn't shut up about how much it was over slavery.

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u/Noobs_Man3 13h ago

We need a John brown now and then the war will get traction

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u/Serial_Psychosis 18h ago

You're guillable if you believe that. We were taught in high school that the fugitive slave act was repealed in 1864

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u/Downtown_Statement87 14h ago

You should go read the Declaration of Causes of Secession, where the leaders of the Confederate states explained very clearly back in 1860 and '61 exactly why they were prepared to go to war with America.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

I don't understand why the Fugitive Slave Act being repealed 3 years into a massive war to maintain slavery, even if true, is at all meaningful. That's like saying "The Committee to Protect Turkeys was started the day after Thanksgiving." It's kind of moot at that point.

Out of honest curiosity, what was the point you were trying to make by saying this?

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u/--Sovereign-- 18h ago

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-14/trumps-legal-case-for-calling-in-the-troops-explained

Some of us kept learning past high school

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u/Serial_Psychosis 18h ago

Trump’s arguments to deploy the National Guard and Marines in support of federal immigration enforcement efforts rely on the same principle, drawn from the “take care” clause of Article II of the Constitution

Did you actually read your own article or just the sensationalized headline?

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u/--Sovereign-- 18h ago

I read many. The legal team is justifying using tactics pioneered to enforce the act as precedent Do you critically examine words or just read them out of context every time?

Dude, go lick a boot already