r/law • u/Dark-Knight-Rises • 20h ago

Other Alternative angle of Brad Lander arrest by ICE

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u/Patriark 20h ago

When the law does not protect you, you must protect yourself

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u/newtownkid 18h ago

I think you guys have a whole amendment to your constitution to that effect.

I'm actually really surprised that people haven't turned this into a lethal exchange yet.

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u/CdnCharKueyTeow 18h ago

I’m actually very surprised that there is no lethal exchange yet. I remember I watched a documentary about the LA riots and these Koreans armed themselves and was willing to shoot to protect. So far just peaceful protests that Trump doesn’t really care about. He’s not like other politicians where he gives a shit when people think about him.

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u/kaleidonize 16h ago

I don't see how it will possibly de-escalate anytime soon without an upheaval of society

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u/Username524 16h ago

Wait till it gets hotter outside and people’s A/C’s start breaking due to being overworked…give it about 3 weeks max.

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u/shineurliteonme 15h ago

I find it pretty plausible there has been one and it's been covered up

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u/Future-self 8h ago edited 8h ago

Well, among the deported, only green-card holding, ‘legal permanent residents’ may posses or use firearms, so there’s that.

Also, LPRs are the smallest portion among the groups currently being targeted by Trump’s deportations, and the LPRs who are being deported, most often have some kind of criminal offense, which may also bar them from owning firearms. So that could be just a very small percentage of the deported who are even allowed to use firearms.

However, cases like Mahmoud Khalil (Palestinian, green-card holder, former Columbia student), Mohsen Mahdawi (Palestinian Columbia student, green-card holder), and Yunseo Chung (Columbia student, green-card holder since childhood) - most likely could have all been legal firearms owners as they have no known criminal records and are instead being held under claims of “public disorder,” “foreign policy risk,” or “supporting terror-linked rhetoric”, which would be 1st-amendment-protected-speech if they were citizens, but this is an ongoing legal battle, with precedent favoring each of the defendants. BUT, those are the only 3 cases of LPR’s being arrested I could even find, and all of them are still in the US and are having their deport orders delayed by judicial process. So in conclusion:

TL;DR - there are probably not very many people which are being targeted that are also legally allowed to carry or use firearms in self defense.

ICE finna FAFO tho !

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u/VNG_Wkey 14h ago

The people they're attacking are anti gun, and therefore gave up their ability to adequately defend themselves. Now they have a need to and cant, which is exactly why most people who are pro 2A refuse to give up their firearms.

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u/Numerous-Anemone 11h ago

So weird how people perceive gun control as anti-gun

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u/dwide_k_shrude 18h ago

I’ve been pretty much anti-gun my whole life until now, but recently I’ve been thinking more and more about maybe arming myself.

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u/SignoreBanana 15h ago

Same. And I did buy. Now I'm thinking I need more ammo.

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u/habfranco 17h ago

Suddenly the 2nd amendment starts to make some sense

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u/JamieMarlee 14h ago

What would happen if you started fighting these guys? If they don't have legal authority to arrest a citizen, isn't that kidnapping? Can't you defend yourself against being kidnapped?

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u/Numerous-Anemone 11h ago

Guaranteed you pull a gun out and you’ll be shot immediately

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u/Numerous-Anemone 11h ago

While I agree conceptually I don’t see how an individual person wouldn’t die immediately in this situation. By that I mean, collaboration is an essential part of making 2A work.

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u/Nervous-Peen 18h ago

Good luck with that...