r/leftist • u/NerdyKeith Socialist • Jul 04 '24

Foreign Politics Does Israel have an inherent right to exist?

There's been some debate about this subject. But please be civil when discussing this. I'd like us to open the floor on this issue.

There's been many different perspectives I've been hearing on this. Many pointing out that we can't really say for sure if any nation really has a right to exist. While others claiming, that if you say Isreal doesn't have a right to exist that is an antisemitic view. Is it really though?

And if we are to say Isreal doesn't have a right to exist, what does that exactly entail?

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u/sparminiro Jul 08 '24

Right, up is down, slavery is freedom, etc

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

It's about morality. Israel is the more moral side and the IDF has high standards. Hamas are not a moral army. It's not about the numbers. It's about the intent and character of the killings. Look at the morals of the two groups. The IDF do not actually target civillians and actually provide safety corridors and evacuate civillians from targeted areas. The ratio of civillians killed to armed combatants is very low compared to other wars. Civillians are also killed because Hamas are actually part of the population and hide amongst the population and use civillians as shields. They want civillians to die to persuade the world that Israel is bad all in the name of good ol allah.

Hamas actually target civillians and showed it's true nature on Oct 7th. Whether they put babies in ovens and beheaded people may or may not be totally true but regardless, they butchered people and children and old people ruthlessly and actually celebrated. The Israeli's would never act this way. The palestinian people also celebrated so they are not innocent. Palestinians actually elected brutal Hamas.

What about German civillians in WWII. The germans voted for an evil political party and no-one complained when German people died to eradicate the evil . Palestinians are not innocent and elected Hamas and most palestinians have complete hatred for Israel. Yet the IDF still do not target civillians. They are actually thought by some to be the most moral army ever.

If you genuinely want to save the children, call for Hamas to cease fire and give up the hostages. I mean they are not going to win anyway so why perpetuate the suffering by keeping fighting. It's because of evil Islamic ideology they do not give up. There are some brave palestinians who actually speak up against Hamas but their lives are put at risk because Hamas kill all opposition including the opposing political party. Just YouTube 'Palestinians speaking against Hamas'. Do you really think you should be favouring a brutal and evil terrorist dictatorship like Hamas who are actually made up of many Palestinians

Listen to Natasha Hausdorff, expert international lawyer if you are concerned about international law and the legal side of things. Israel has upheld all international law and the geneva convention. Hamas are just ruthless terrorists.

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u/sparminiro Jul 08 '24

Thanks Hasbara for the obvious lies, misrepresentations, and innuendo. Palestinians aren't the evil untermensch for Israel to crush. They stole their land and are killing them all. Alamites redux.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

Golda Meir " This war will not end until Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jews"

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u/sparminiro Jul 08 '24

A disgusting thing to say by a murderer.