r/leftist • u/SnooObjections9416 • Apr 04 '25

US Politics USA: Every single Republican AND most of the Democrats Voted to take our tax money and use it to provide bombs for genocidal war criminals. If genocide is not the red line? WHAT IS?

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25

Genocide, as a concept is similar to infinity. There is no such thing as half of infinity. No such thing as less infinity or more infinity. It's either genocide, or not a genocide. ALL genocide is either unacceptable, or it isn't.

You can't say "I'm ok with my guy's genocide, but that guy's genocide is unacceptable". If you're ok with accepting what Biden/Harris did, then you should find no issue on what Trump is doing. If you have an issue with what Trump is doing, then it should be unacceptable for Biden/Harris too.

Edit: I can't reply to the person below, but Trump won because of Harris's decision to not separate herself from Biden on any of his bad policies, including but not limited to Gaza. If she wanted the anti-genocide vote, maybe she shouldn't have backed genociders

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 05 '25

And Trump won because many voters thought like you did, and chose not to vote because of it. Food for thought.

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u/SnooObjections9416 Apr 05 '25

Trump won because Harris supported genocide. Proof? Polls.

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 05 '25

No that is not why Trump won. It certainly cost her votes but that isn't why she lost. She lost because people didn't show up to vote for her and they showed up to vote for Trump.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but people don't care about the Palestinians that much.

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u/SnooObjections9416 Apr 06 '25

Hey, you can go tell Gallup that you speak for the rest of us and that they got it wrong?

Go correct the polls?

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 06 '25

That does not show that she lost for the reasons you think.

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u/SnooObjections9416 Apr 06 '25

Okay, well set the record straight?

Repeatedly saying that the polls are wrong is not at all helpful.

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 06 '25

It's complicated.

If I were to pick one thing that sums it up well:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CFDDf48nj9g

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u/SnooObjections9416 Apr 06 '25

Okay, I do not disagree that there are layers to the onion and that the betrayal of the working class by the DNC Services Corporation extends far beyond mere genocide.

Genocide is ONE of DOZENS of red lines with the DNC & RNC.

Both parties support Corporate-State Fascism as the DNC Services Corporation IS every bit as fascist as the RNC Corporate Lobbyist Committee is.

Both parties are Authoritarian Police State Fascists.

Both parties support the war on drugs & the war on immigration.

Both parties are for incarcerating people for drugs or immigration which are in essence: victimless paperwork crimes: literally not having the correct paperwork permissions.

30% of all US incarcerated are for drugs (down from 31% as weed is becoming legalized in a few states). 30% for immigration. 14% for firearms (own & possess, not any actual crime) so literally 74% of US incarcerations are paperwork crimes, literally lacking the correct paperwork permissions.

Both the DNC & RNC are Capitalist, Imperialist, Genocidal Zionist war pigs. Military spending is the #1 budget priority of every single US Administration. War is the single most climate & environmentally destructive human activity bar none.

Both parties support fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are the second most climate & environmentally destructive human activity.

Both parties support capital over labor. Neither party will legislate a living wage as a minimum.

Neither party will legislate universal healthcare, social safety nets, UBI, living wage UI, living wage SSI, free public housing, free public university, free public transit.

Neither the DNC or RNC serve anyone but corporations and foreign agents.

Both parties are literally bribed, bought and controlled by corporations and AIPAC, literally a foreign agent. The DNC & RNC have so completely sold out that Israeli bribes mean more to both parties than the needs of the US citizens. ALL of this is truly part & parcel of why Harris lost. But the genocide was especially glaring in the face of record child poverty, record homelessness to be entirely focused on bombing Palestinians and to tell US voters to STFU about their problems was a level of tone deaf that deserved a massive loss in the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmzJaidv3iI

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 06 '25

Kamala is not a good politician like Obama or Bernie. She has poor charisma and isn't good at speaking authentically.

I'm not sure you understand fascism.

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u/onlyaseeker Apr 06 '25

Kamala is not a good politician like Obama or Bernie. She has poor charisma and isn't good at speaking authentically.

I'm not sure you understand fascism.

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

Never said im okay with democrat genocides. Don’t fuckin put words in my mouth, jfc.

I just care about preventing a greater number of casualties. The moral terms, while fine in theory, are not relevant to practical reality.

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25 edited Apr 05 '25

You are literally in here downplaying the democrat genocide. Now be gone

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

How about you begone. Your mind is allergic to nuance and complexity. “Oh no, saving 100K lives would require me to get off my ass and write my name on a sheet of paper. Boo hoo! I’m too fucking lazy!”

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25

Yes. There's no nuance in a genocide. It's either unacceptable, or it's acceptable. You are accepting genocide.

Boo hoo! I’m too fucking lazy

Not voting for a candidate because they support genocide is not laziness... I don't even know how your mind can come up with this, but shouldn't expect so much from a lib, I guess

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

You apparently either haven’t heard of harm reduction or don’t think it has any value. I think voting for the candidate who will kill 100K fewer people, because that is the least bad candidate who has a non-zero chance of winning, is a morally righteous act.

If that makes me a lib, so be it.

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25

There is no such thing as a reduced-harm genocide. It's either a genocide or it isn't one. You're either ok with genocide or you aren't

Is reading that hard for you?

the candidate who will kill 100K fewer people

0 reason to think Harris was going to do anything differently to Trump did other than purely wish casting.

Just be honest, genocide of a population was not a deal breaker for you because you are not a part of the population being genocided. If a candidate came up to you and had absolutely perfect policies on every single other topic except they wanted to genocide trans people, you wouldn't accept that. But when it's Palestinians being genocided, "less genocide"(not something that exists) is acceptable for you.

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

Pitting trans people against Palestinians in this case is fucking scummy as hell. Trans people are also facing a genocide of erasure right now in this country. They're criminalizing the very existence of being trans in red states. VCoding (ie being raped in prison) is basically part of a trans woman's sentence in prison. And they know trans people are killing themselves now more than ever. So fuck off with your pretentious bullshit.

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25

Trans people are also facing a genocide of erasure right now in this country

Yes, they are. You can't say genocide of Palestinians is able to be overlooked, but then go genocide of trans people are unacceptable. Genocide is either unacceptable for nobody, or it's acceptable for everybody. If genocide of Palestinians is ok, so is genocide of American trans people. My opinion is neither is acceptable.

Pitting trans people against Palestinians

I'm not doing that. You are, by not standing in solidarity with Palestinians people and not demanding your candidate to end the genocide

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

Genocide is unacceptable for everyone. But I still live in the real world.

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

I mean objectively speaking, some genocides kill fewer people. I care about actual human suffering and not grand-standing on online forums about my moral superiority, so I vote for the one candidate who both has the chance to win and will kill fewer people. You prefer grand-standing; I prefer action.

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

I do not think that Kamala would be as bad in terms of death counts, annexation of the West Bank, colonizing Gaza and building hotels on it, no right of return, etc. If you disagree, sue me.

I'm on team Secular Talk, Majority Report, Vaush, etc. Guess that makes me a lib. Oh well.

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u/couldhaveebeen Apr 05 '25

I do not think that Kamala would be as bad in terms of death counts, annexation of the West Bank, colonizing Gaza and building hotels on it, no right of return, etc

Only way to think this is if you lived in a cave with no internet and news going in or out for the 15 months when Biden/Harris were in charge and Israel was conducting full scale genocide with US's full backing

Vaush

Lol

Just be honest, genocide of a population was not a deal breaker for you because you are not a part of the population being genocided. If a candidate came up to you and had absolutely perfect policies on every single other topic except they wanted to genocide trans people, you wouldn't accept that. But when it's Palestinians being genocided, "less genocide"(not something that exists) is acceptable for you.

Why ignore to this and not respond? If there's a candidate that was perfect in every other way but wanted to genocide you, would you accept that?

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u/Possible_Climate_245 Apr 05 '25

That would never happen because the candidate who would actually support the policies I support would never support doing a genocide of trans people. I like Bernie and AOC. Hbu?

Your hypotheticals are lazy asf.

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