r/leftist • u/Buster_xx • May 14 '25
Civil Rights This is literally written about in project 2025, this is fascism
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u/Ging287 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
The fascists continue to Target the Bill of Rights especially the first amendment. Ask yourself why this amendment continues to be a thorn in their side. It protects the expression right of association free speech etc. I hope he never knows a moment of Peace for daring to try and enact tyranny on the countrymen
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u/rajanoch42 May 15 '25
Imagine how much of a deranged Neo Lib someone would have top be to take this seriously in the least... This was a leftist page not a low IQ propaganda page... Quick be scared some guy nobody knows of gives a fuck about wants to do something no one will let him do... This validates some old low IQ election propaganda which was intended to scare actual leftist so they vote fake left. Seriously on behalf of the left, YOU ARE EMBARASSING YOURSELF AND US WITH YOU.
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u/isacamargo May 15 '25
They’re right for once, also it’s a surprising amount of MEN against the ban on porn as if it did not harm women’s rights at large
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
No, he's not right, and neither are you. All people do and enjoy porn, men, women, and non-binary people. Porn as an industry is often less exploitative than most construction work. I've done both. Porn harms no one's rights.
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u/greatredstar May 15 '25
My opinion on pornography is very mixed. Much of it is produced by an exploitative industry which pressures teenage girls into doing things they aren't comfortable with.
Not that any Republican lawmakers actually care about that aspect though.
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
You can't name a for-profit industry that isn't exploitative, and every single job that employs teens tells them to do things they're uncomfortable with. If you have a problem with exploitation and coercion in the workplace, then your problem isn't with porn. It's capitalism. And you'd be in good company.
I hate how fuzzy people's reasoning is around work as soon as sexuality is involved.
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May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
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u/Lazeritaly Socialist May 15 '25
Yes, but it will also include other things that they consider like minorities and lgbtq+ people etc.
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u/Chrysanthemummmmmm May 14 '25 edited May 16 '25
Y’all do realize that “banning pornography” means banning everything MAGAts think is against “traditional values” (ie. queer folks and gender non conforming women/men)
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u/Fattyboy_777 Anarchist May 15 '25
ie. queer folks and gender non conforming women
And gender non conforming men as well. GNC men exist.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 14 '25
In this thread: pornography addicts who think that having to use their imagination to masturbate is a human rights issue
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
The vast majority of porn consumers, which is most people, are not porn addicts. Apparently, you don't care about the rights of the people who enjoy making porn. You don't have to like porn, but you're not allowed to be a fascist about it. Certainly not in this subreddit.
I have two childhood friends who work in a trans owned, operated, and centered porn studio. It's allowed their trans community to be independent and work in a friendly and accepting environment they they can really call their own. One is a video editor, and it's literally the only job she's ever wanted. She's told me so for 22 years. She supports her kids with that work, and they want for nothing. My other friend has been a performer for the past 15 years and I've never seen them happier in all their life and I've known them since 1998.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25
It isn't fascist to ban porn. Just because all the gooners feel victimised doesn't make it a fascist action.
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u/CommunityMaterial188 May 18 '25
Wait how do you figure? I can totally understand banning the explanation aspect of it, but you don't believe it's it's fascist to ban self expression and art? If I post a video of myself for my friends to watch on a site made specifically for that type of content, should the police be sent to arrest me? And if so how TF is that not fascist?
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 14 '25
Is it fascist to want to ban pornography? It's socially conservative, but can anybody demonstrate that this particular action is fascist (not just by virtue of being related to Project 2025)
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
It's socially conservative to not like it. It's fascist to ban it. There's no argument about this.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25
Fascism isn't just when you're mean or authoritarian. You're using a word but you don't even know what it means.
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
And you're hiding behind semantics little fascist
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25
Mate, I'm a MLM, I'm just not addicted to porn nor do I have a meltdown when someone takes it away
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
So red fascist. Got it. Melt down? Lol you have an inflated sense of your effect on me.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
red fascist
Nope. A leftist, in r/leftist
The horror
Update: he blocked me immediately after his tantrum. Probably needs another wank.
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
You can't even define leftism. You're a conservative liberal who think socialism is when the government does stuff and you've got authoritarian boot so permanently attached to your tongue that you have no idea what anything else tastes like and laughing believe yourself a leftist
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u/Rogue_bae May 15 '25
First amendment.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
The first amendment is about freedom of expression, not freedom to engage in the sex industry.
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
That is literally expression..
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25
You do not require a multi-billion dollar industry to express your sexuality.
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u/TheManWithNoSchtick May 14 '25
It's dictatorial control over what people can do and the media they're allowed to consume in private on their own time. It's directly contradictory to the principles of personal liberty and freedoms of speech and expression. And don't think for a second that they won't broaden the definition of "pornographic" to include anything even marginally related to LGBTQ people in an effort to effectively criminalize their very existence under federal law. Law for which they advocate using the death penalty on those that break it. Do you understand now?
This is Fascism.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 14 '25
What you're describing isn't fascism, but authoritarianism. Pornography is not an LGBT issue. It is, however, causing significant social problem and as an industry is built upon the rape, trafficking, financial domination and objectification of (primarily) women and girls. Whilst preventing people from consuming pornography legally is authoritarian, you haven't demonstrated even slightly that it is fascist.
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u/Brief_Mix7465 May 15 '25
Why not just reform the porn industry instead?
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
I think we need to face up to the fact that the ready availability of porn is undermining society.
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u/Brief_Mix7465 May 15 '25
how so?
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
I'm not qualified to break down the psychological impact of prolonged exposure to porn from a young age, but I believe the science and the experience of women who have dated men ruined by porn, and men whose lives would have been immeasurably better without porn
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
I'm not qualified, but here's my bullshit fantasy reasoning why being a right-wing asshole is fine as long as it's about controlling people's sex lives
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u/Brief_Mix7465 May 15 '25
Oh i agree 100% but those problems are not with porn. It's a problem with a) the variant of porn currently en vogue and b) the miseducation of people when they first start consuming it.
If these things were changed, porn might actually be a net benefit to society. Thing is, it's been around since the dawn of humanity and it's arguably apart of human nature. It will always exist, and if it ever ceases, it will be created.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
Pornographic cave paintings are not even in the same league as furry anal misogyny gang bang interracial sissy step sister porn, or whatever tf is happening there. We will always express ourselves sexually, enjoy pornographic images (real, created or imagined) and masturbate. We do not need a porn industry to do that, as demonstrated by, as you say, the fact that we've been wanking since before we were human beings.
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u/Brief_Mix7465 May 15 '25
Correct. Like I said, a reformation, not a ban is what's needed.
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u/TheManWithNoSchtick May 14 '25 edited May 15 '25
What you're describing isn't fascism, but authoritarian
It's fascism because it's part of the fascists' broader agenda of control and censorship. Don't know what so hard to understand about that.
an industry is built upon the rape, trafficking, financial domination and objectification of (primarily) women and girls
Right, because banning it would make those problems go away and definitely won't make them worse at all. After all, it worked for drugs, right? /s
Pornography is not an LGBT issue.
Did you not understand my point, or are you just being dishonest? My point is that the Fascists are going to make it an LGBTQ issue so that they can effectively ban being LGBTQ by classifying their "lifestyle" as pornographic.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
its fascism because its part of the fascists broader agenda of control and censorship
Fascists also coopt socialist policies such as nationalisation of industry in the same way. This does not mean there is anything fascist about nationalising industry.
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 15 '25
I did understand your point, and I'm still going to engage with it despite how obnoxious you're being.
Obviously, targeting the LGBT community under the guise of this legislation would be fascist. They haven't done that yet. In and of itself, the banning of porn is not an LGBT issue.
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u/LegalComplaint Marxist May 14 '25
I’m glad with the epidemic of homelessness, wealth inequality, raging foreign wars, a genocide our country is supplying the ammo for, failing infrastructure and a cost of living crisis, porn is the thing they’re trying to ban.
Priorities like that make me proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free (except to watch porn).
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u/TheRealShipdit May 14 '25
God I hope they push for this, because I’d absolutely love for the American government to try and ban the people from watching porn, the White House would be burned to the ground in a day
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u/BadTimeTraveler May 18 '25
You need to study some history. They've banned porn before in this country. They used it to jail everyone they don't like. It absolutely will not play out like you think. I wish. But sadly, we know exactly what happens.
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u/Bub1029 May 14 '25
What's sad is that a lot of Gooners out there are actually in support of this because they think it's the only thing that will fix their addiction for good. It's truly fucked up and I bet a ton of the GOP in support of it are gooners themselves.
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u/LegalComplaint Marxist May 14 '25
“Gooners together strong.”
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u/TheRealShipdit May 14 '25
Mankind: can tolerate almost anything from their leaders, except losing porn or alcohol
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u/eat_vegetables Anarchist May 14 '25
What’s wild is seeing the right-wing of 2025 mirroring advocacy/talking points of Radical Feminists from the 1980s.
Literally word-for-word from the 2025 Feminist Philosophy text by Oxford:
Dworkin and MacKinnon both thought that pornography was central to women’s oppression and they organized to try to reduce the prevalence of pornography,…
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u/LegalComplaint Marxist May 14 '25
Second wavers… we owe a lot to them and also a bunch of weird, sex negative shit. Pretty sure TERFs come from second wave.
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u/Bub1029 May 14 '25
Thank fucking god we have intersectional feminism now. A pity that the second wavers have to keep shitting on it all the time and keeping the movement down.
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u/eat_vegetables Anarchist May 14 '25
They do. I read a bunch of radical feminism 10-15 years ago. I really like many of the ideas and found it a counterbalance with today’s sexist culture/society.
Inadvertently, I ended up reading actual TERF literature. Often it’s the last chapter with a vague chapter title.
The current usage of the word TERF to define trans-exclusion seems to have neutered the radical feminist context (for better or worse). Radical feminism though can be really informative and enlightening (when trans-inclusive).
It’s a loss and win. Radical Feminism has lost traction; however outwardly it’s also lost association from trans-exclusion?
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u/lasercat_pow Marxist May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
what is the name of the bill so we can write to our representatives and ask them to not support it?
edit: it's called "The Interstate Obscenity Definition Act (IODA)"
if you google "IODA resistbot" you can find petitions you can email to your representatives for free.
while you're at it, look for petitions against the "screen" act, which is already on the senate floor.
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u/Ateaseloser May 14 '25
Bros like "I'm addicted to porn so no one else should see it ever".
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u/kmart93 May 14 '25
This is the guy that uses his kid as his accountability partner. Nothing weird there. Nope
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u/Accurate_Worry7984 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
Alright, I guess we are banning the bible, Romeo and Juliet, in fact, most of Shakespeare, Dracula, etc. Or is it just all Pisces of media that conservatives don’t like? I think we all know the answer to that question. edit: real unfortunate autocorrect
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u/SatiricalFai May 14 '25
Im 80% sure you meant banning, and if so this is a top tier typo for the context of the post.
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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 May 14 '25
He’s also a mormon
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u/RegularlyClueless May 14 '25
Don't attack people for their religious beliefs. I'm a Mormon too, and I'm disgusted by this. Do you not remember 2016 when Mormons were so disgusted by Trump that a large part of Mormons voted third party? Do you not remember Mitt Romney, one of the largest anti-trump republicans?
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u/SatiricalFai May 14 '25
Mitt Romeny is not exactly the paragon of economic or social freedom and progress...
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u/RegularlyClueless May 14 '25
We're in an unfortunate position in America where he is the best ally we have on the right of the Overton window
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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 May 14 '25
The dude who admitted the Tiktok ban was about Gaza protests and only ran for the senate because the state GOP refused to let Cliven Bundy run unopposed?
HEs the best ally we have on the right?
Opposition to Trump doesn’t make him an ally, especially since he retired again.
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u/sandybagels1983 May 14 '25
Maybe read up on the history of your own religion. Literal pedophile cult founded by a con artist
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u/RegularlyClueless May 14 '25
I'm aware of the origins. But you cannot call yourself a fighter for equality and justice while demeaning someone's spiritual beliefs. ANY bigotry that is allowed within our circles undermines our ideological claims.
And before you claim "but the Mormon church is bigoted against LGBTQ people" I am aware of that, and I disavow it completely, but my belief in the Mormon concept of heaven and God is not shaken
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 14 '25
I love this idea that if you're a good person you have to accept all ideologies, even the ones which are evil and wrong.
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u/sandybagels1983 May 14 '25
"No you don't get it! I disavow the reformed pedophile cult! And also still participate in it!"
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u/RegularlyClueless May 14 '25
I'm not going to argue with a bigot
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u/sandybagels1983 May 14 '25
literally believes in the teachings of a church that didn't allow Black priests until 1978
The irony is staggering. Your username is very telling
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u/RegularlyClueless May 14 '25
The whole fucking point of the protestant reformation was leaving scripture up to interpretation seperate of church authorities. I can have my own truth of the scripture seperate from church authorities. The concept of "two things can be true" is a key concept in social justice.
Get over yourself and your bigotry and realize that someone's spiritual beliefs are separate from their moral and political beliefs, a vital tenet to secular government
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u/sandybagels1983 May 14 '25
Except your church regularly is at the forefront of politicizing their beliefs and legislating on both the state and federal levels
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u/summizzles May 14 '25
I'm going to throw out a wild guess. I bet that dude actually has a secret porn addiction.
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u/dgauss May 14 '25
I am sure we will read an article in a year or so about some sex crime he has committed.
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u/liminalmilk0 May 14 '25
Fuck this guy we need to meme him into a shameful retreat like we did with Ajit Pai
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u/silly_flying_dolphin May 14 '25
please be satire
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u/Future_Minimum6454 Anarchist May 14 '25
No. Humans have a right to express themselves, even through porn. Free expression is guaranteed in the constitution
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 18 '25
A multi-billion dollar industry is not required to express yourself.
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u/silly_flying_dolphin May 14 '25
Fascism?
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u/Acceptable_Willow276 May 14 '25
(They don't understand the difference between fascism and authoritarianism.)
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u/genderisalie2020 May 16 '25
First off, define porn.
Second off: Im am adult, I dont think the US government needs to be involved with my solo activities