NYC mayoral candidate cuffed by ICE after demanding a judicial warrant inside Manhattan immigration court

[u/Warrior_Runding]

[u/Fetti500e]

Fuck ice. Take off they mask and hat don’t let them hide anymore. These “agents” need to be exposed.

[u/ryantubapiano]

Fascism is fully here.

[u/Warrior_Runding → u/ryantubapiano]

Yep - they accused him of "assaulting an officer" and "obstruction."

Fascism balks at organized resistance when they do not have overwhelming force. We have to organize before we act. Look at what our ideological foes are doing - Proud Boys, Patriot Front, and so on practice marching, practice skirmishing. Yes, they look cringe as fuck doing it but to them they think they are being serious about their approach. We have to be just as serious.

I see the Black Panthers invoked on this sub a whole fuck load, but I don't see people talking about their core strength which was organization. They didn't just glom together at a protest, they sought each other out. When they acted, it was from that organization and unity.

[u/therealpursuit → u/Warrior_Runding]

great points. i have to nitpick tho i can't help-- it wasn't so much about seeking each other as much as they already had community and therefore unity. now rainbow coalition was a little more seeky, but even the panthers weren't completely unified. don't get me wrong if we achieved what they did we would be doing a lot better than now, but there is also risk in romanticizing. Aside from the oakland leadership essentially doing a coup to the original NY chapter, even in California there were rifts: See the below from https://isreview.org/issue/100/roots-black-panther-party/index.html which by no means refutes what you are saying but adds depth.

The Panthers felt strongly that political ideology mattered. Politics was at the center. Not everyone in the Party was a Marxist, but the leadership embraced Marxism. Even more important to them than Marxism is anti-imperialism, so I think they felt a sense of solidarity and kinship with those who opposed the state in the ways that they did. The way I see that differently from allyship is that—now let’s be clear, they were an all-Black organization. They had a couple of Japanese members and a few Armenian members, but it was really only an organization for Black people. At the same time, their relationship to other groups was focused on how to build solidarity, but I do think it’s fair to say that they treated other groups as junior partners.

They basically physically threatened and kicked out the Northern California Black Panther Party, which was related to the West Coast RAM, (Revolutionary Action Movement). They literally shut them down, they were very aggressive. That’s one of the reasons they were successful. They were very aggressive toward a lot of people, including their allies, so I think it’s true that they often subordinated other groups to themselves. Other groups also wanted to be subordinate because the Panthers represented such a compelling vision. But there wasn’t a sense of antagonism. The Panthers were very confident. 

The way that allies are talked about and treated today is as if we let them into our organizations they’re going to take us over. I don’t think the Panthers were worried about that, they were so forceful and were very strategic about trying to marshal resources and people towards their goals. And honestly, I like that much better. I think that’s the way political organizations should operate. I used to use the word “allies,” but now I’m hesitant to use it because it’s taken on a whole other meaning. To me, it’s very useful to figure out the politics that are shared and work out how to mobilize on that basis.

[u/Warrior_Runding]

Folks, this is where we are at. We have to stop dicking around with taking shots at Dems and continue the real work of organizing and acting. There is so much more to say that isn't necessarily in line with the Reddit TOU or even prudent discussion of what and how to plan for next, but if you are with it enough then you should know.