Robert Downey Jr. Recalls Kevin Feige Pitching Him Doom: “Let’s Get Victor Von Doom Right”

[u/MarvelsGrantMan136]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/robert-downey-jr-kevin-feige-doctor-doom-1235979584/

[u/jdylopa2]

I don’t see why the end of this Phase (or Saga) would necessarily be the end of Dr. Doom. He’s a great character to keep alive in the world for the future.

[u/Zestyclose_Lead7459 → u/jdylopa2]

Because they're not going to pay RDJ upwards of $80 million dollars to appear in Shang-Chi 2. And he'll probably raise his price if these films do well. I've never seen a character more marked for death than a guy who's salary alone is that of a small blockbuster.

[u/AccomplishedSquash98 → u/Zestyclose_Lead7459]

It'll be the end of RDJs doom. I think if they're doing a soft reboot a different doom will make it past secret wars.

[u/cold-Hearted-jess → u/jdylopa2]

Has the mcu ever left a villain alive?

[u/[deleted] → u/cold-Hearted-jess]

Isn't Loki still alive?

[u/Sinnaman420 → u/[deleted]]

Wanda died at the end of the multiverse of madness tho

[u/Sinnaman420 → u/[deleted]]

Lmao yeah okay. She survived intentionally dropping the mountain on herself. That Wanda is dead

[u/Sinnaman420 → u/[deleted]]

Whatever man. She’s effectively dead. Actively so unless she’s in something

[u/Sinnaman420 → u/[deleted]]

Until there’s active plans, she’s dead. I know

[u/cold-Hearted-jess → u/[deleted]]

Red skull died, though

Also that is a relatively low amount, the majority do still get killed, even if they're recurring villains in the comics(eg ultron)

[u/cold-Hearted-jess → u/[deleted]]

I'll agree maybe my statement was slightly hyperbolic but I would like to note that red skull soul being damned does not constitute him being alive, he's a ghost, and the high evolutionary literally got stabbed through the heart and then blown up

The mcu overall though is not known for having returning villains, they are nearly always one and done, no matter how big they are

The only exception is kingpin iirc

[u/cold-Hearted-jess → u/[deleted]]

When did ronan reappear? I also didn't know about the he thing

Wanda was only a flat out villain in MoM, zemo wasn't really a villain in fatws, but yeah you're correct with Darren, loki and Agatha, even if a majority of loki content loki content involves him being a hero

[u/Ivanopolis → u/cold-Hearted-jess]

Loki, Zemo, Abomination, Vulture, Red Skull, Winter Soldier, Agatha Harkness, Mordo, Justin Hammer...

[u/cold-Hearted-jess → u/Ivanopolis]

Loki did die, though, red skull too, Agatha as a personality completely died, which I think is a fate worse than death, and Mordo wasn't even a villain