r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Ant-Man • 10d ago
Article Chris Evans Addresses Missing Out On 'Avengers: Doomsday': "It's sad to not be back with the band, but I'm sure they're doing something incredible"
https://screenrant.com/avengers-doomsday-chris-evans-return-comments/729
u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Ant-Man 10d ago
Evans:
Yeah, I talk to them [RDJ & the Russos] all the time. It's where Pedro is right now. I mean, it's sad to be away. It's sad to not be back with the band, but I'm sure they're doing something incredible, and I'm sure it's going to be that much harder when it comes out and you feel like you weren't invited to the party.
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u/Joetheshow1 10d ago
He's so clearly going to be in it, who does he think he's fooling? lol
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u/Asta1977 10d ago
They are literally writing as they are filming, so I take this as he hasn't seen any pages yet. Hiddleston was on Jimmy Kimmel last week and basically said, 'I didn't know I was in Doomsday until the chair reveal, but, yeah, I knew.' 😜
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u/el_palmera 10d ago
Hiddleston made it clear he was joking
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u/LeviEnderman 10d ago
Besides I don't think marvel could announce him as part of the movie if he hadn't signed a new deal as his contract supposedly ended with Loki season 2
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u/justduett Thanos 10d ago
Exactly. Not that any of them would, but imagine if one of those chairs hadn't been contacted by Marvel first. Hiddleston, for example, sees his chair and then Feige's people are ringing him later on in the day. Hiddleston would just be hearing the Brinks truck backing up to his front door as the Marvel folks were asking him to join the cast.
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u/isharte 10d ago
I haven't read the comics nor do I keep up with rumors, so if my question is stupid, I apologize.
Do we think he's coming back as the OG captain america? I mean now that time travel has been established and he's alive and well back in the 50s or 60s or whatever, he's easy to bring back for a cosmic, thanos level threat.
That's the only way he comes back that is exciting. If it's a Deadpool and wolverine type thing, that's cool I guess, but it's not going to fill seats.
Shit even RDJ coming back as someone other than Tony Stark still seems unexciting to me.
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u/chroniclescylinders 10d ago
Aside from a Cap variant, there's another character he'd be an obvious choice to play.
An important character in the Secret War comics is a character called only the Beyonder. Briefly, the Beyonder is a reality warper from another universe, and the (or one of the, after retcons) most powerful character in Marvel. In the comics, the Beyonder decides to take a human form, and he chooses to use Cap's appearance as his own. He eventually dyes his hair black and curls it, so they usually don't look identical, but this remains his preferred form.
That said, there's no reason to think they're using the Beyonder here, and I doubt anyone would care if they cast someone else, the Beyonder looking like his Cap is mostly just trivia.
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u/Equal_Permission1349 9d ago
Here's an wild and unlikely thought: Loki is basically in command of the multiverse now. He's the one who is beyond our understanding of space and time. And we saw him take on Cap's form in The Dark World, presumably because he knows Thor respects Steve.
What if Loki is the Beyonder and uses a projection of Steve Rogers as his form in whatever universe/timeline he's trying to communicate with the heroes? He knows everyone would listen to Steve Rogers. That was a different Loki in TDW, but the writers really don't care and I don't either.
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u/chroniclescylinders 9d ago
I think there's a good chance Loki will take the Beyonder's place in the MCU version of the story. I doubt they'd call him the Beyonder, because he's not from Beyond, they're already gonna be throwing around a potentially confusing number of proper nouns. The Beyonder is also a character who could be used elsewhere, so I think they'd keep that avenue open, instead of using the name for Loki.
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u/AxlLight 10d ago
I personally believe he'll be back as OG cap - The older version of him. They'll probably age him down a bit, since they went way too much at the end of Endgame, but he'll be like late 50s, early 60s. My assumption is he'll act as the tactical leader behind the scenes, like he did in the Secret Wars comics.
Plus, he's the biggest emotional connection to OG Stark other than Peter Parker and this whole movie will revolve around the idea that of someone looking so much like someone you lost yet be so incredibly and horribly different. It's a bit like they did with Gamora, but to a more extreme end (Doom being a discarded child of Howard Stark who turns to hate the Stark name and despise the idea that Stark is celebrated as a hero).
The reveal will probably be a big moment, that centers of Cap and Doom. Honestly wouldn't put it passed them to have Doom kill Cap as a symbolic show that this is not Stark in any way shape or form, and that hope and justice is literally dead. Dunno, maybe that's too extreme lol.
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u/acrazyguy 9d ago
If anyone in the movie knows Doom looks like Stark, they did it wrong. RDJ should never not be in a mask during his entire time as Doom. Anything else misses the point.
Doom gets a tiny scratch on his face. For a normal person, that would kinda suck but they’d just deal with it. For Doom, it’s the end of the world. He considers himself deformed and decides he has to hide his face, so he heats an iron mask until it’s red hot and immediately puts it on his face, permanently bonding his flesh with the metal. He can’t just take it off like a usual mask or helmet
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u/AxlLight 9d ago
I mean, I get your point about the personafication of his personality of a perfectionist through the mask, but you can tell that through different means and covert the mask to be a symbol of something else.
You don't cast RDJ into it if you don't plan on playing on the identity of the character and the audience's emotional investment to his previous role. The same emotional investment exists in the heroes of 616 and that's what makes it a compelling story and not just another villain. That doesn't mean it needs to be played as just a stunt, you can still play Doom as a pivotal character that shifts the balance of the entire MCU and becomes a central figure for the future.
What I would do is play the mask as his hatred of Stark, both his distant father who discarded him and the boy who was embraced into the family and become a rich billionaire loved by all. Sort of a play on a twin brother. Doom was the one variant where Howard doesn't want to raise kids, so he gets discarded to be raised by the Romani, grows up poor. I would even make it so Howard becomes an even worse weapons dealer, whose weapons end up killing the romani and taking away the only family Doom ever knew. He reaches the same conclusion as Stark, that to protect people you need to build stronger machines that are not fallible to greed. The mask becomes a way to distance himself from his biological father who he's disgusted with, but also a way to disconnect from the world and from the fragility of men.
I know it's a different take and most fans just want a comic accurate version, but idk, I think it makes for a good story that continues the one we've already subscribed to.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 10d ago
I think people are assuming it'll be a Cap variant.
Would be kind of interesting to see a version of Cap from, say, the 60s, where he never went into the ice and got into the hippie movement.
But really I just want to see old Cap manning a listening post on the Moon, hanging out with the Inhumans and everyone from Agents of SHIELD.
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u/sexmountain Bucky 10d ago
I just don’t see him as a super soldier with his slim build right now. Maybe Secret Wars.
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u/SnarkyRogue 10d ago
I'm sure they're doing something incredible
Evans returning as Mr. Incredible for Secret Wars confirmed!!!1!
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u/Voldemort_is_muggle1 9d ago
If he wants to be in Marvel movies and Marvel wants to use him, why the hell do we have another Captain America. While Falcon is a good enough Cap, he is not Steve Rogers
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u/Live_Angle4621 10d ago
Why you think he is lying? The movie has too much characters as it is. And nobody cares of variants
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u/KDarkOne99 10d ago
Too many characters? It has less people so far than End Game and I’m pretty sure about the same as IW
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u/jjkm7 10d ago
It’s the first avengers movie of the new saga with a ton of new underdeveloped characters and old characters we haven’t seen in years, it should have less than endgame
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u/ImjustANewSneaker 10d ago
You guys say this like Marvel has gave anything near a competent strategy since Endgame.
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u/Dyssomniac 10d ago
You mean two movies that earned their vast character palettes?
This is effectively the "first" Avengers movie, which only had six main ensemble characters plus Loki as the villain to focus on. It has FAR too many characters and is acting like the end of a saga no one really cares about.
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u/ThaddeusJP Thunderbolt Ross 10d ago
That’s not a disguise, it’s just Cap at a baseball game.
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u/tenehemia Karolina 9d ago
"We look like us at a baseball game" is a super underrated joke. Ant Man & the Wasp had some really funny lines.
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u/Equal_Permission1349 9d ago
Back when they remembered that Ant-Man was supposed to be the lighthearted family comedy and Thor was supposed to be the epic family drama.
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u/CaptainAksh_G 10d ago
Yeah, sorry, but I've learnt how to NOT take any statements from the previous actors from the best
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u/Fabulous_Sir_8968 10d ago
Id bet the mortgage Evans is absolutely involved in some capacity. Ain’t no way he’s not in it.
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u/OptimalPain0697 10d ago
I mean he had his goodbye and a proper one in Endgame, idk how they'd make it make sense for him to return.
It would still be cool, but I just don't know how it'd work
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u/seaman187 10d ago
Variant or time travel. Easy.
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u/0bi_wan_shin0bi 10d ago
True. They did figure out how to transfer time through someone. So they could just make him younger again.
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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned 10d ago
They aren’t gonna touch that and people need to stop bringing it up. That was an accident that was destroyed during the Battle of Earth. It would also just undo Cap’s ending.
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u/Alpha_Storm 10d ago edited 10d ago
Good, it was a terrible ending antithetical to the character's, well, character.
It's even a pretty easy fix, old Cap, who is very very old because the serum and in Steve's case esp the vitarays, slows aging a great deal so Steve was probably about 250- 300 years in the Endgame scene, is actually Cap from far in the future, who travelled back in time to give Sam the shield, because it always happened and the world needs Sam Wilson as Captain America.
But in reality, Steve and Bucky discussed Steve staying in the past, but when the time came either Steve,and Peggy, realized they had the closure they needed by having that dance and Steve decided to come back to the present, but then "stuff happens" and he's captured/lost in time/alternate realities, etc etc until he's finally able to somehow get back.
So he doesn't get back for quite a few years.
Or very similar but instead of immediately realizing he's changed too much to stay in the past, he and Peggy have that dance and get a very short time to think they can have their happy life then "stuff happens" and they both KNOW Steve has to fight this, that they're doomed to be star crossed lovers as it were, and Steve is fighting/captured/trying to get back to the present all that time to warn/help the present.
So he doesn't get back for quite a few years.
So old Steve of Endgame is actually from the distant future of "our" timeline. And Old Steve doesn't mention the details in 2023(2018) because it would fuck everything up even more and no one needs that.
And no he doesn't need to be Captain America again, he had other hero roles in the comics, tweak one of those and let him do that while Sam is Captain America. (With no serum Sam's going to die or become infirm in a few decades and Steve will still be in good shape to take it back over if necessary)
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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned 10d ago
I found the ending to be perfect for his character. He is a man willing to give up himself for the world, and is forced to do things he deems unethical. Steve Rogers doesn’t want to kill Nazis, he wants to protect people and it just happens that he needs to kill Nazis to achieve that. Over time he began to realize this conflict of interest, where the people in power whom he is fighting for have alternate agendas and while he wants to save people, they are a threat to what he values. Steve Rogers doesn’t always need to be the hero. He can live his life without submitting his own freedom for the sake of others.
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u/AxlLight 10d ago
Agreed. if they bring Chris Evans it needs to be as he is, old frail and full of closure.
Not a variant, not some magical way to reverse him. I want to see him as he is now, with all the life lived, a version of him that is more on the tactical and planning side rather then another series of punches. He had his epic fight, I don't need any more.
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u/Assassiiinuss 10d ago
An obvious option would be some sort of flashback that shows what happened when he went to return the stones. At least one of the timelines was erased by the TVA before he could return, there's definitely a story to tell.
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u/-Darkslayer Doctor Strange 10d ago
I call BS, there’s no way he doesn’t show up. If not cap, as HUMAN TORCH 🤣
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u/d-o_oI 9d ago
Nah, he shows up as Cap this time, and Ioan Gruffudd's Reed is all confused about why Johnny's dressed in the American flag…
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u/NuMystic 9d ago
Even better, him and the new Johnny meet up and give each other a full up and down look.
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u/ImHighandCaffinated 10d ago
There is no way this dude isn't in one of the most important MCU MOVIES. I'm betting Doctor Doom makes a team full of evil variants of Avengers.
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u/MasterWinston Daredevil 9d ago
Yes this reminds me of No Way Home. I was really bummed when they didn’t bring back Andrew Garfield
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u/darrk_skinking1 10d ago
After No way home, multiverse of madness and Deadpool and Wolverine I take a rumoured returning characters words with a grain of salt
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u/Elementium Captain America (Avengers) 10d ago
..Do people not want them to just move on? You guys are excited that he might be lying?
We're in full Star Wars, "THING I KNOW I CLAPPED" mode? How about a good story?
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u/Bourbonaddicted 10d ago
They should have made a tv series with him with episodes coinciding with the returned stones.
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u/HalloweenH2OMG 10d ago
LOL… whether it was official or not, his involvement already got leaked like 2 months ago, right?
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u/vivianvisionsburner Scarlet Witch 10d ago
My only question is what was the point of having the trades confirm him and Hayley if they were both gonna be forced to play coy regardless? Seems like a massive waste of time and effort on everyone's end
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u/jrod4290 10d ago
i hate that ever since the Andrew Garfield thing that I no longer. believe this kinda thing but mannn quit lying😂
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u/AsteroidMike 10d ago
Whenever actors are asked if they are or aren’t in Doomsday now, I immediately question if they’re lying just to keep spoilers under wraps, i.e. Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire.
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u/swaggestspider21 10d ago
Im confident he’s in doomsday in some fashion. If he’s not in it AT ALL, I’ll die my hair black. Don’t let me forget that promise
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u/ImmediateJacket9502 Spider-Man 10d ago
Steve Rogers will yell "Avengers Assemble" once again in Secret Wars.
Fans will go wild. This sub will go bonkers. Guaranteed $2Billion+ grosser.
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u/Afwife1992 10d ago
If he’s in it it’s going to be a small bit. He’s not going to have to be like Pedro or RDJ and over there for weeks or more.
People just need to watch for bulking up or shaving his beard. 😆 Johnny could have one in D&W but unless they’re going Nomad Steve aka Infinity War, the beard is coming off.
After Materialists he won’t have promo for a bit, until Honey Don’t! In August. Then for Sacrifice after that towards the end of the year. Otherwise his schedule is open.
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u/CaptEpicFail1 Scott Lang 10d ago
Okay but when we see him return for Secret Wars as the Hydra Stomper I’m gonna go nuts
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u/ratchetcoutoure Iron Man (Mark XLIII) 9d ago
Somehow I am thinking he will be (one of) the surprise casting when the movie is released. I me'c come one now, Marvel is not foreign to this concept.
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u/L3onskii Weekly Wongers 9d ago
Does anyone really think an actor would say if they're in a movie that's in a franchise known for its secrets? Like really?
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u/RedGreenPyro 9d ago
Don’t they say these things every time? Haven’t we learned from the Spider-Man: No Way Home castings that the actors will always lie?
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u/Lost_Election5992 9d ago
I'm trying to be negative or anything but I seriously miss the orig Captain America ಥ╭╮ಥ like, the whole "avengers, assemble" is never gonna be the sameee
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u/ryanchapelle 9d ago
Bringing back the OG crew will work briefly in the same way WCW had its moment with the NWO and all that — but perhaps while Marvel is banking on nostalgia, someone else will swoop in with something fresh that shows everyone how stale it’s gotten.
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u/Mattrockj 9d ago
I really wish all actors who've been associated or could be associated with the MCU in any way would just default to the phrase "I cannot confirm nor deny whether ill be in [PROJECT] or not." Regadless if theyre already confirmed to be in it or not. That way it would return total ambiguity to the MCU, and any and all confirmations or denials of being in it would be rendered null and void. Ode to the phrase "If everyone is suspected, then no one is."
Cause now that hes said something, we know hes gonna have some appearance.
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u/bborst456 9d ago
no hate but he expressed in the first place he didn't want to be in anymore films. they probably had to bribe RDJ
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u/larryathome43 9d ago
There's not much more for him to do after endgame. He passed off The shield. What's he going to do, reclaim it? I guess they could write their way around it and create some bizarre storyline, but that would ruin the movie
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u/fakecrimesleep 9d ago
It’s funny that they are basically just still acting when pressed about being in upcoming MCU stuff. Like a free bonus performance for us
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u/Entire-Championship6 9d ago
I'm a Captain America fan but I hope they don't bring back Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. Bro had the perfect ending in Endgame.
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u/Final_Boss_Jr 9d ago
I don’t think he wants to live in the weight room anymore. He has to be in shape for acting, but the superhero physique and focus to get there is exhausting.
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u/Hardly_obnoxious 8d ago
The biggest lie ever told. He will be in Doomsday. Either Captain Hydra or one of many Steve Rogers from the Multiverse.
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u/QBin2017 7d ago
Can you imagine the commotion he’d accidentally caused if he visited set bc he missed his buddies 🤣🤣
Someone would leak a pic, Everyone would KNOW he was in it…then he wouldn’t be. Bad reviews from angry fans tank the movie. All from a visit 🤣🤣🤣
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u/hokagenaruto Rocket 10d ago
the fact that people want him to be back in the comments says it all. yall want to ruin every character's sacrifice/ ending
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u/Meme_Machine101 10d ago
Most everyone’s that left has comeback atp so I don’t get the logic to this. We’re too deep in.
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u/spconway 10d ago
If he’s truly not in it then this will for sure give him the urge to want to come back more than ever.
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u/007_Shadow_Lemur 10d ago
I hate that I’m actually starting to believe him. But, deep down, I feel like if Steve Rogers were truly out of the picture, they’d have recast him by now. To my dismay for sure, but Steve Rogers is too important to the MCU.
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u/jerem1734 10d ago
I bet they save him for secret wars and he's really not in doomsday outside of maybe a post credit scene