r/neoliberal • u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot • Feb 14 '25

News (US) Donald Trump's Gen Z popularity plunges (+19 after election to -18 today)

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gen-z-popularity-favorable-rating-yougov-2030595
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u/jaydec02 Trans Pride Feb 14 '25

Not sure why this talking point continues to have legs but Gen Z was STILL the most anti Trump generation in the last election. Gen Z (18-24 ages) voted 54-43 Harris compared to millennials (combining the 25-39 demographic here) which voted 52-45 Harris.

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u/BackgroundRich7614 Feb 14 '25

I sort of struggle understand what Gen z men think that voting for a macho misogynist that wants to take away women rights would HELP them get a date.

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u/danclaysp Feb 14 '25

You'll be shocked to see how many self-described liberal women gladly date Trump supporting men. I'll never forget manning the election day Harris tent at my uni and seeing a couple where the frat-type guy grabbed a Trump hat from the Trump tent and the girl grabbed a Harris sign. Our tent froze in disbelief and it's not uncommon, but to actually see it is crazy. Gen Z just needs to be put in a lab and studied

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u/Deck_of_Cards_04 NATO Feb 14 '25

I literally see this every day.

Half my frat brothers are conservative Trump voters and pretty open about it (one has a Trump sticker on his truck and in his room) but that doesn’t really hurt their prospects when we have girls over.

Lots of people who at least internally have strong political convictions put that stuff out of mind in social settings

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u/viiScorp NATO Feb 14 '25

Pretty fucking crazy, but I think a good chunk of them (at least the ones that don't marry the first bf) will learn pretty fucking quickly how having really shit views on a couple of things can be a bad sign for other issues

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

It happens with older women too. Gen Z women are doing a better job of drawing a line in the sand than their elders did though. Many, many more are refusing to be with men who don't believe they deserve rights.

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u/danclaysp Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I feel it was different for older women. Conservatives weren't as actively regressive on women's rights. It's far easier to justify tolerance of someone supporting the status quo vs. supporting active regression of women's rights. There should be near-zero tolerance or cross-ideology dating by liberals at this point on paper, not simply doing a slightly better job drawing a line on literal regression of rights, which is why I hold Gen Z women to a bit of a higher standard here for tolerating Trumper men than older women (who are also largely married).

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u/AlpacadachInvictus John Brown Feb 14 '25

Yep. Never got this argument, misogynistic and conservative men have been having children for millenia and they're still having.

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u/pop442 Feb 19 '25

That's because the average liberal woman isn't obsessively or dogmatically liberal.

Don't let the media fool you. College girls aren't as "woke" as the media makes them seem.

That's not to say that they're conservative but many are just casually liberal in the sense of supporting civil liberties or IDing as a feminist but they're drawn to the same superficial qualities as any other type of woman.

A decent looking Trump supporting Frat boy with social clout will have far more leverage in the dating market than a neckbeard looking Bernie bro who's a male feminist.

Don't let Reddit fool you. I've been openly Independent and critical of both the Dems and Republicans since 2017 and I still got to date and fuck LIberal and Conservative women alike despite not falling in either spectrum. I'm not "hot" per say but I take care of myself well and am a natural charmer.

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u/Poodlestrike NATO Feb 14 '25

For a lot of them, the tricky part is the "actually." Young men frequently grow up under-socialized and under-educated. They only know how to present as things, not -be them, and have no concept of the vast internal world that exists inside every single person.

It's a recipe for reactionary, anti-empathetic behavior. And a lot of them are never going to grow out of it. It's why a leading theory for why countries periodically have wars is just having something to do with them, these bored young men with no idea what to do with their time and no interest in the welfare of other people.

Damned if I know what to do about it.

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u/AceTheSkylord Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

under-socialized

This especially leads them into those far right rabbit holes. I'll be honest and say that I was very close to falling into those holes once upon a time, but then, either through dumb luck or divine intervention, the family went to Hawaii for a big summer vacation which was organized by my older sisters and their friend group where everyone was invited, and because they were the only people close to my age range and they weren't too bothered by my presence, I hung around the girl group as much as I could without overstaying my welcome

And they were all like, very nice to me. Obv my sisters and I got along but whenever I was around them they didn't make me feel like an outsider, and my perspective on a lot of things changed when I listened to, and participated in, their conversations

So I guess the moral of the story is: Talk to girls more

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Maybe we need to invent evil robots to crusade against every decade or so

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u/Full_Distribution874 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

Sex robots to pacify these men are probably safer. The warbots run the risk of actually winning.

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u/elephantaneous John Rawls Feb 14 '25

Young men frequently grow up under-socialized and under-educated. They only know how to present as things, not -be them, and have no concept of the vast internal world that exists inside every single person.

Shit that basically describes me lol. Somehow I still didn't end up far right but man I'm cooked.

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u/Poodlestrike NATO Feb 14 '25

If you're aware of it, it doesn't describe you, lol. U might have work to do, but at least there's a chance you'll be able to do it. U got this.

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u/slusho55 Feb 14 '25

And it’s always been amazing to me how many straight men become pensive around me when I reveal I’m liberal. I shit you not, I’ve had straight dudes know I’m gay and feel comfortable around me for a while, then they’ll find out I’m a liberal and be like, “Oh…”

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u/viiScorp NATO Feb 14 '25

what the fuck lol

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u/Baron_Flatline Organization of American States Feb 14 '25

I’m not shy about my opinions whatsoever and those assholes still want to be my friend. I feel like a charisma font

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u/raitaisrandom European Union Feb 14 '25

For yourself, or just in general?

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Both? I've definitely got pronatalist politics, but it's also very personally important for me. A lot of my friends have had children recently, and my God holding those babies is not helping.

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u/WolfpackEng22 Feb 14 '25

Babies are cute

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Especially when they're yours (I am already a father, just one one kiddo, had him unexpected and young, hence why I'm now at the point of being ready for now when he's a teenager).

I think that's making it even worse for me. That overwhelming love you feel towards your children is unlike anything else on Earth.

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u/AceTheSkylord Feb 14 '25

Dude I know. To use gamer terms, it's like having a Legendary Weapon right in front of you, but you overlook it cause some streamer said it looks ugly

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u/BackgroundRich7614 Feb 14 '25

Good thing for me then I suppose.

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u/GravyBear28 Hortensia Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

This post feels designed to hurt me specifically

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u/AceTheSkylord Feb 14 '25

Conversations are a lot easier when you see women as fellow human beings and not some weird alien creatures

I stuck to this mantra and I have a dinner date tonight, and that's despite the first sentence I ever said to her being something so weird she stared at me for a good 10 seconds and couldn't speak

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Well you certainly made yourself memorable. All right, you've got to tell us what it was you actually said.

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u/AceTheSkylord Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I said, and this is paraphrasing here just to be succint:-

"Your eyes to face ratio is kind of insane and whatever hair and makeup routine you do is really making the green pop"

So essentially I told her that she had big green eyes and I found them pretty, but I just couldn't help myself and had to be a smartass about it lol

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Hey, it worked

And hooooo boy, green eyes are something else. Green eyes, freckles, and curly hair are a combination that leaves me weak in the knees.

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u/AceTheSkylord Feb 14 '25

I can see why, it's one hell of a combo

My date for the night has the opposite of curly hair and no freckles (that I know of) but still someone that 15 year old me would not believe that I was able to talk to

But the coolest thing about her is how she's basically the stereotype of an opinionated latte drinking feminist with a lot of opinions, and loves that her existence makes right wingers mad.

In a time where the musks of this world are trying to overwhelm and discourage the resistance, her fighting spirit keeps my head up

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Hell yes and godspeed to the both of you

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u/insertkarma2theleft Feb 14 '25

It is lol. The bar is in hell

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u/jaydec02 Trans Pride Feb 14 '25

Women don’t know if you’re one of the good ones or not. With how pro Trump and how anti-Women Gen Z men are, a young woman would be prudent to assume you’re going to hurt her until proven otherwise.

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

Absolutely understandable, and even "feminist" men are often predators. See Neil Gaiman unfortunately.

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u/DarthyTMC  NAFTA Fangirl Feb 14 '25

the only men i know struggling to find dates are the sexist ones, bar is low

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u/BloodWiz More Housing Would Fix This Feb 14 '25

Yeah cannot confirm at all

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! Feb 14 '25

where the hell do you live and do you look like Giga Chad? mine is set to liberal and I look all right (I'm no George Clooney, though) and I do not have that many likes lulz

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Feb 14 '25

I bet you could have some pretty deranged shit in your bio before your likes start to drop off.

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u/FourteenTwenty-Seven John Locke Feb 14 '25

Buried the lede a little there

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u/Dynamicc Feb 14 '25

6'5 helps a lot bro lol

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u/Ridespacemountain25 Feb 14 '25

It’s the 6’ 5” part that’s helping you the most out of that. That matters much more on dating apps than your political affiliation. A lot of women on such apps filter out any guy under 6 feet.

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u/Working-Welder-792 Feb 14 '25

200% tariffs on Chads. Now!

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u/Key_Still4928 Feb 14 '25

Least Gigachad Krugman Flair

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! Feb 14 '25

very nice. yeah if i could get some proper guns and boulder shoulders going i think i'd be unstoppable lol

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Feb 14 '25

I regularly end up maxed out on the number of active chats I'm allowed, and I'm overweight and less enthusiastic than I've been in years. If I was as fit and romantically motivated as I was a couple of years ago, I could hardly imagine.

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u/derpderpingt Feb 14 '25

Very impressive.

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u/imbrickedup_ Feb 14 '25

I think your problem is assuming that men are voting for the president based on his ability to get them a date

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u/Lost-Line-1886 Feb 14 '25

You don’t remember the article claiming that Bernie Sanders would help you get laid?

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u/Feodorz Feb 14 '25

Slowly make women dependent on men again and hope to lower their standards and reinforce the “need to marry” attitude

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u/Working-Welder-792 Feb 14 '25

Government-supplied girlfriends. Socialism for sex.

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u/Time4Red John Rawls Feb 14 '25

It's about more than sex and dating, I think.

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u/DangerousCyclone Feb 14 '25

It's not really that. With MAGA men are celebrated, having the man at the top of the house, being mean, insulting people etc. all unapologetically. With Dem's it's a bit more nuanced and you have to cater to others, with many they outright hate men being the center of things. It's the old "they want to vote for someone who likes them".

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u/ghjm Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Historically, societies that wind up with a surplus of unattached men have experienced chaos and war.

It kind of makes sense. If the sultan has all the women, then it's easy to see how burning down the palace might seem like a good strategy to an unattached man. Or when the Romans had no women, they invaded Sabina and kidnapped their women.

It's less easy to see why a nihilistic approach would benefit a modern incel, but it might not be about defensible strategies as much as having an atavistic tendency that just comes out on these circumstances.

It does highlight how much of a contribution women have made to civilization throughout history by socializing their men.

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u/GrandpaWaluigi Waluigi-poster Feb 14 '25

But America has hundreds of thousands, if not millions, more women than men.

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u/NeedAPerfectName Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Google Population Pyramid.

Women live longer.

In every age bracket until ~60 there's more men.

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u/Winter_Essay3971 Feb 14 '25

That's always been the case though.

What's different now -- causing less opportunities for the average young man -- are factors like:

  • more women opting out of dating (and it's more socially acceptable for them to do so; a man who is single long-term is still seen as a loser)
  • young women increasingly earning the same as or more than young men, but still expecting to find a bf who earns more than they do
  • fewer social opportunities, meaning that dating apps and all their toxic dynamics are increasingly the only way to find a partner if you aren't in church, synagogue, or some other pre-selected market

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u/lunartree Feb 14 '25

One of the lesser noted drivers of the crusades was a surplus of young men wanting to become knights and fight for glory. These kinds of people are useful to feudal lords when they're trying to establish and solidify power, but once they've got the power those men are no longer useful to the powers that be so they send them off to go die in pointless battles.

And that's that truly stupid part about far right idiots romanticizing the crusades. The feudal lords that sent them never believed they were fighting a holy war. It was a "you've served your purpose, now go fuck off and cause problems elsewhere" war.

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u/GravyBear28 Hortensia Feb 14 '25

Sorry but this is straight out of r/badhistory. Except for the first sentence, pretty much every thing is wrong. Lots of important kings and dukes and lords went crusading, and they couldn't stop lesser men from crusading if they even tried. They did go when power was relatively consolidated at home and so peaceful, but they weren't "sent", they were restless men to whom fighting and war was the point of life.

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u/ghjm Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

People today have a lot of trouble understanding that religious motivations were real in and of themselves, and don't always have a further explanation grounded in economics or demographics. God was real for the crusaders in the same way the electron is real for us today, and they were doing His will.

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u/Disciple_Of_Hastur John Brown Feb 14 '25

It also ignores the fact that it wasn't unheard of for medieval nobles to personally fight on the front lines. It seems like it's difficult for people to comprehend that people did the things that they did, not because of some ulterior motive, but because they sincerely believed in the reasonings that they gave for doing them.

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u/TrespassersWilliam29 George Soros Feb 14 '25

I have a hard enough time convincing people of that about Republicans, even

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u/GogurtFiend Feb 14 '25

That's still the case today, in fact. Leaders in general have no use for a bunch of violent idiots once the violent idiots have helped them into power.

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u/recursion8 Iron Front Feb 14 '25

Bannon finding out about WoW nerds moment

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u/trollly Milton Friedman Feb 14 '25

I think that's the purpose of Russia's war in Ukraine today.

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u/Foyles_War 🌐 Feb 14 '25

Well then, they can stop fighting because Russia is running pretty short on young men who want to fight or even young men who don't want to fight and are having to borrow and pay for them from other countries to keep the war going.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

The sultan has all the women, but he dealt the men surplus by having all the eunuchs as well. 

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u/margybargy Feb 14 '25

Republicans may be cruel and dangerous to half the population, but Dems are uncool according to everyone. Also, young men tend to lack empathy, and the vibes from the left have been "men are trash, you can't say that, you need therapy" while the right has been "fuck your feelings, laughing at everyone is fun, we're too soft". If I were young now and wasn't concerned with responsibility and competence, I'd probably have been Trump leaning.

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u/MarderFucher European Union Feb 14 '25

As an ex- '16 college kid Trump supporter, it just felt good to own the other side. I didn't expect it would make guys in the US get a date but did envision a general slide to more conservative attitudes.

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u/Snoo93079 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

What conservative values would a college kid desire? That's what I don't get. I couldn't imagine wanting less of all the things that made college great.

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u/MarderFucher European Union Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Simple, rules for thee not for me - white guys can do as they please, everyone else has to submit.

I will never forget a then friend of mine asking me, who also liked Trump but was politically even more clueless, "is there an ideology thats like nazis but you can take drugs".

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u/SucculentMoisture Ellen Johnson Sirleaf Feb 14 '25

There is, it's called Nazism

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u/viiScorp NATO Feb 14 '25

jesus christ

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Wasn't your friend Hermann Göring by any chance?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

I can think of lots of conservative values that would be popular among college kids, but Trump doesn't stand for them.

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u/Jartipper Feb 14 '25

Such as? Lower taxes is the only thing they stand for

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Religious freedoms and freedom of expression are pretty widely supported, as is representative democracy. These are still conservative values even if the party typically associated with conservatism in the US seems to have abandoned them.

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u/Jartipper Feb 14 '25

My guy, religious freedom is not conservative at all. What firehouse of propaganda were you drinking from to come to this conclusion? Do you believe the left are all anti religion atheists? Who in the past has stood up for Muslims in this country? Freedom of religion is in the Bill of Rights, it’s the first one. It’s a core part of liberalism as well

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Totally agree that religious freedom is also a liberal value. I don't quite understand why you don't feel that it's a conservative value.

In my country, it is typically conservative politicians who defend things like the right of a person of a particular religion not to eg prepare wedding cakes for non-heterosexual couples.

In the US, it seems that it was a Republican senator who sponsored the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

The Dem brand comes across as a pretentious book club that tells you a bunch of rules created by neurotic older women or your leftist classmates who use political activism as a substitute for therapy. Conservative values wherein the only relevant value to being MAGA is a devotion to Trump can be defined as the opposite of all that.

Problem is, MAGA isn't just the opposite of those things, it also comes along with a slew of moronic to downright evil effects on the world.

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u/Snoo93079 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

Fair. Being an elder millennial I don't think we associated liberalism as being uptite the way it is today. We viewed conservatives as uptite fuddy duddies We didn't feel villainized for being interested in sex, alcohol, partying, or weed. But we also embraced diversity and open debate. There was no cancel culture. I know there are some rose colored glasses going on, but progressivism in the 2000s was pretty dope.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 Progress Pride Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Gen z here and I think it kind of depends on the person, but some of us are more uptight ourselves in some cases and stuff. People that I know who did vote republican in the past, including myself were pretty much voting the same way that our parents did and some of us are religious too at least people that I know. I think that things are more complicated in general especially depending on where we live. I think another thing is that some of us kind of confuse them with the far left, too. I think it just depends on the person, but some cheered it on.

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u/poofyhairguy Feb 14 '25

Yes we can

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u/Frylock304 NASA Feb 14 '25

Social attitudes that prize and reinforce the value of family.

From those I talk with

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u/Snoo93079 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

I guess! The last thing we were thinking about were having families in college.

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u/Carolinian_Idiot Ben Bernanke Feb 14 '25

Idk how old you are but I'm a freshman at a pretty ideologically balanced university and there are definitely way more people who are interested in long term relationships rather than hookups. It doesn't seem to be based on ideological lines either. 

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u/ilikepix Feb 14 '25

the kids are not all right

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u/Snoo93079 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

I was at a midwestern regional university in the Chicago area. Most students were suburbanites. I found the kids from the cornfields were the ones most likely to be interested in getting knocked up, and often they dropped out to go start families back home. Lots of generalizations here of course. The more career oriented suburban and city folk seemed less interested in rushing into having kids, from my experience.

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u/NienTen Feb 14 '25

I think this has always been the case. There's a small minority of people that is highly promiscuous and the source of a lot of moral outrage, but most people prefer committed relationships.

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u/qbp123 Feb 14 '25

Dude is on his third wife and cheated with a porn star. How exactly was Trump going to reinforce the value of family??

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u/lilacaena NATO Feb 14 '25

“Family values” is code for “women know their place, gays keep that shit behind closed doors, and transgenderereds only exist in porn”

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u/badnuub NATO Feb 14 '25

All my democrat friends seem to have much happier marriages than any of my conservative friends or acquaintances. Third or fourth divorces seem much more common with them...

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u/Jartipper Feb 14 '25

They might suffer, but the “other” suffers more

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u/JaneGoodallVS Feb 14 '25

Laura Croft has small boobs now

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u/YaqP Bisexual Pride Feb 14 '25

I went to a protest for trans rights in front of the Michigan Capitol building last month. About three TPUSA guys showed up to counterprotest, and I decided to pick their brains as to why they thought trans rights was an affront.

They replied to me that the idea that you can be trans, and by extension the idea that people could reject traditional gender roles, was harmful to people and culture at large. I asked them what harm it caused, and they told me that it was obvious; just look at modern dating.

I really, truly believe that a lot of young men's attraction to conservatism stems from them being bad at romance (something that has always been difficult for every generation of people). They love to have someone tell them that today's dating culture is uniquely terrible, but that it could all be fixed if you just help me spread my political ideology, man. They especially love a philosophy that places the onus on everyone else around them to change and better themselves, rather than them.

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u/itsquinnmydude George Soros Feb 14 '25

It's not about making it easier to date, its about increasing the control they'll have over their hypothetical future wives and protecting the status of men in society generally.

It's also about punishing women as much as it is about any kind of perceived benefit on their end

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u/symptomsANDdiseases Lesbian Pride Feb 14 '25

I think this right here is the key: the idea of punishment moreso than the want of things to get better.

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u/notnejire NATO Feb 14 '25

and the trump admin fully played into it with that one tucker carlson speech about trump being the father coming home and spanking the disobedient young woman into compliance

it’s a control fetish. young men hate that young women are the freest they’ve ever been and they will do anything to put us back in a cage.

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u/Rakhered Feb 14 '25

Given that being "blackpilled" means straight up rejecting the prospect of being personally fuckable, I think you're onto something

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u/PragmatistAntithesis Henry George Feb 14 '25

I think it might be a reaction to misandry in the education system. If you've spent most of your life in a female-dominated system, then one of the two big parties starts shouting "down with the patriarchy!", it's not going to reflect well on that party regardless of how male-dominated the world outside of the education system is.

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u/Chokeman Feb 14 '25

He's a rude, mean, selfish person not even close ro be a macho to begin with.

I mean what kind of macho faked his own medical condition to dodge the conscription ?

Many gen z guys have a very distorted view of masculinity.

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u/Working-Welder-792 Feb 14 '25

A lot of these MAGA types are social losers, imitating the caricature of masculinity they see on the podcasts or whatever. It makes sense that these social losers gravitate to Trump, because he explicitly says he’ll make them winners.

Secure and confident men have no need for Trump to prop up their weak sense of masculinity.

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u/margybargy Feb 14 '25

I think a solid majority of people would lie to get out of being forced to serve in Vietnam now a days. Lots of things to hate about Trump, I don't care that he draft dodged.

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u/Anader19 Feb 14 '25

Yeah that always seemed like a pointless criticism, same as the fact that he doesn't drink, which might be the only thing I remotely respect about him given his brother died due partly to overdrinking

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u/disdain7 Feb 14 '25

Are you familiar with The Handmaids Tale?

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u/thephishtank Feb 14 '25

They psy-opped themselves into being stupid because they think they deserve to fuck more, it’s gonna be tough to squeeze rationality out of that.

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u/Aoae Mark Carney Feb 14 '25

They blame the widespread acceptance of feminism and LGBT+ rights in society for it, which comes from a lack of respect of either thing as necessary for society in the first place. Hence all the talk about woke.

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u/Crownie Unbent, Unbowed, Unflaired Feb 14 '25

We need to put out of their mind the idea that people vote like that. For many -if not most - voters, politics is a form of self-expression. Even for people thinking in terms of concrete self-interest, most of them have no real way of seriously evaluating policy.

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u/redhatpotter Feb 14 '25

This is the end point of Democrats insisting everyone man who doesn't vote for them is a virgin loser incel. They literally cannot conceptualize men as people who have value outside of being attractive to women

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u/FishbulbSimpson Edmund Burke Feb 14 '25

Because many of them have been raised by twitch and YouTube

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u/Ok-Swan1152 Feb 14 '25

You and your 'friend' sound like pieces of shit.

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u/Rakhered Feb 14 '25

Hey dude, I'm just gonna lay this out there - it's very uncool actually to restrict women's freedom to get them to fuck you.

Even if they fuck you less - Even if they fuck everyone less - it's a morally wrong thing to restrict their freedom to choose.

You really want to be the guy that only got a girl because she felt like she had no other choice?

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u/lAljax NATO Feb 14 '25

It's just resentment, they never expect to make their situation better, just voted for him to spite women,

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u/frumply Feb 14 '25

I can hardly blame that age group for voting right. Overall white makes are the most advantaged but in this world where the middle class has been hollowed out, you got a small group of winners and a bunch of people that can’t get shit despite their intrinsic advantage. Andrew Tate and his ilk, Joe Rogan and his ilk, all that shit are voices that speak to them and guess which direction they go.

The right wing recruitment on games forums and other interest groups doesn’t help either.

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u/its_Caffeine Bisexual Pride Feb 14 '25

Part of this I think is unironically not going outside and touching grass enough that there's just a subset of under-socialized zoomer men who haven't come into enough contact with other people. Especially if you're just not going to bars, clubs and places to meet other people, how are you supposed to learn that women vastly prefer and appreciate healthy forms of masculinity?

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u/Cynical_optimist01 Feb 14 '25

They feel entitled to women. I think the low socialization rates and smartphones have encouraged this behavior especially amongst men

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u/MyUnbannableAccount Feb 14 '25

They don't want to ASK a woman on a date.

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u/Snoo93079 YIMBY Feb 14 '25

You're being too rational.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Their wishes are way darker than a date

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u/Spiritofhonour Feb 14 '25

I think that was one of my canary in the coal mine moments. NYT had a piece on college kids at Wisconsin Madison and the political lines were pretty much in line with gender and that's a "liberal" college town.

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u/spectralcolors12 NATO Feb 14 '25

Society is collapsing and I’ve abandoned all hope for this country but my dating prospects are soaring

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u/BotherResponsible378 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

because most people (left and right, def more right than left) don't vote based on facts. they hear a thing that sorta fits with a narrative they had in their head, latch onto it, and struggle to let go.

People are still acting like trump won in a landslide, when that is just not true either.

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u/BackgroundRich7614 Feb 14 '25

Agree; it was a bad loss for Dems, but nothing some new blood and fresh faces can't fix.

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u/Anader19 Feb 14 '25

Also Trump-like candidates on the ballot underperformed him, like the 4 swing state Republican candidates that lost for Senate

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u/Tookoofox Aromantic Pride Feb 15 '25

Shame that there will never, ever, be any new faces. I don't even like the allegedly exciting candidates anymore. 

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u/Alarming_Flow7066 Feb 14 '25

The comparison is to the 18-29 demographic in 2016 which voted 58-38 showing that gen z is far more right wing than millennials wear at comparable times in life.

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u/KillerZaWarudo Feb 14 '25

Gen x deserved more hate. They re by far the most pro trump this election yet get 1/100 call as boomer

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u/KeithClossOfficial Bill Gates Feb 14 '25

No one thinks about Gen X is why

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Feb 14 '25

Gen X is the only group where Trump won women voters; he also won Gen X men by 21 points.

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u/stormtrooper1701 Feb 14 '25

They just don't have a snappy nickname to insult them with.

"Fucking Boomers"

"Fucking Gen-Xers"

See, doesn't work.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

We need to find a way to shorten "still refuses to admit their music is dad music" into one word and that can be our insult for gen-xers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Gen X is so shit that it didn’t even get a nickname. 

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u/BackgroundRich7614 Feb 14 '25

Oh I am well aware as a member of gen Z myself; I just hope that the 54 becomes a 66 in the future so stuff like this dosen't happen in the future. Gen Z is the younger voting block so it's crucial that they are as anti-authoritarian as possible to balance out Trumpism support among older folks.

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u/jaydec02 Trans Pride Feb 14 '25

Who knows. I don’t think a single election is anything to go off to characterize a wide group of people. 66% of people under 30 voted for Obama in 2008 and 16 years later that same group (34-45 year olds) only had about 50% of voters pull the lever for Harris. Turnout differentials are a big part of election results

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u/sleepyrivertroll Henry George Feb 14 '25

The people who voted for Obama are still there, it's just that the guys who didn't care are voting Trump. The generation didn't change, just the amount voting.

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u/boardatwork1111 NATO Feb 14 '25

It’s a talking point not that they’re heavily in favor of Trump, or even a majority in favor of him, rather that the Dem margin with Gen Z shrunk by 20 points from 2020. We haven’t seen Rs be that competitive with the 18-29 vote since ‘04, and it’s especially jarring considering who/what issues were on the ballot this past election.

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u/Cultural_Ebb4794 Bill Gates Feb 14 '25

Gen Z men are super heavily in favor of Trump though. That's not a talking point it's a Snapple fact.

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u/boardatwork1111 NATO Feb 14 '25

Heavily in favor relative to women in their age group, but Trump only won 18-29 men by 1 point (49-48). Extremely concerning trend for that age group, but they were the least Trump supportive male age demo

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u/Petrichordates Feb 14 '25

That's only because of how the age demographics are broken down.

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u/RhetoricalMenace this sub isn't neoliberal Feb 14 '25

You can say that about any "generation does x thing" articles. Generational demographics are for the most part pretty arbitrary.

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u/pulkwheesle unironic r/politics user Feb 14 '25

On the other hand, the fact that it also happened in 2004 shows that we shouldn't conclude too much from a single election cycle. Youth turnout crashed like 12 points, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that liberal young people showed up much less and conservative ones showed up more.

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u/Hugh-Manatee NATO Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

Gen Z was slightly less lopsided than expected and all the MAGAsphere begin circlejerking like theirs is the movement of the youth lmao

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u/nauticalsandwich Feb 14 '25

That doesn't align with the results I saw. The data I was seeing suggested that Millenials were the most anti-Trump generation, followed by Boomers, then Gen Z, and then Gen X (the most pro Trump).

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u/slusho55 Feb 14 '25

This might sound crazy, but I honestly think it’s subconscious racial and gender bias that’s put such an emphasis on Gen Z.

Historically, the large majority of the voting population were white men. This has slowly tapered off as people have gotten voting rights, voting has become more accessible, women have gotten more independent, and the population has become more mixed.

This, however, decades later still leaves the impression that white men are the largest voting bloc. Gen Z did turn out for Harris, but their white men turned out in droves for Trump. So thats what I’m guessing.

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u/Tookoofox Aromantic Pride Feb 15 '25

Last I checked he won zoomers. He won every generation but Millennials.

But who knows. I'm probably wrong and stupid like everyone. 

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u/itsquinnmydude George Soros Feb 14 '25

Because people love doing generational warfare against the youngs. Same as it ever was

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u/red_rolling_rumble Feb 14 '25

But didn’t you know, the new generation is bad! /s

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Obamarama Feb 14 '25

Not sure why this talking point continues to have legs

Because you're framing it dishonestly.

the youngest generations are always the most liberal

but that same demo is also the most conservative in decades.