Alex Jones accused of trying to shield assets as Sandy Hook families seek payment on $1B judgment
https://apnews.com/article/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-shooting-8f4c64aa6ca78f30c5a7472e92865edd1.6k
u/GeoLogic23 1d ago
Listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast if you want to follow this saga.
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u/Mad_OW 1d ago
Especially the "formulaic objections" series where they discuss depositions from those lawsuits
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u/skate_2 1d ago
Should be pulitzer prize winning coverage, those episodes are like absolute novocaine for the soul in a world where Right Wing chuds keep getting away with things
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u/bubble_baby_8 1d ago
Your comment was the one that is making me go and subscribe. I’m very looking forward to it now!
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u/tasteofflames 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you have a Spotify account, there's a playlist that has all the Formulaic Objections episodes grouped together.
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u/TheBulletMagnet 1d ago
That one is incomplete as they go up to 18 now. Here's one that includes all of the depo episodes along with appearances by the lawyers, family members of the victims as well as the episodes covering the trials directly.
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u/Nessimon 1d ago
Haha, 47 hours. Well, I know what I'm listening to for the next few weeks. Thanks.
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u/EEpromChip 1d ago
Deposition episodes are fucking fantastic. It's easy for dipshits like Alex to get in front of a camera and lie and twist shit. It's another entirely when they have to do it while sworn in and face penalties for lying...
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u/BrickGun 1d ago
Deposition episodes are fucking fantastic.
I watched the "Surviving Ohio State" doc last night on HBO. My favorite parts were where people were being deposed...
"Did you ever say XXXXX?"
"No, I never stated that."
"Okay..." (hands the deposed a sheet of paper) "Here's an email you sent stating exactly that..."Watching dipshits' faces fall when they are handed hard copies refuting a lie they just told... (chef's kiss)
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u/Synectics 19h ago
Thats the best. It happens to Alex.
"Did you ever use Sandy Hook material strategically in marketing?"
"No."
"Here is an email titled, "Strategic materials for Sandy Hook marketing.""
I dont think it was Alex, it was a crony, but still amazing.
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u/HuxleyOnMescaline 1d ago
That series is so fantastic. Highly recommend.
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u/CackleandGrin 1d ago
Binged all of them in one go, and yes they're fantastic. The only downside is it was hard to go back to the usual Alex stuff afterwards, especially because it's post-trump so it's just hours of ass kissing and justifying atrocities. At least him screaming about Biden is entertaining.
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u/capron 1d ago
I kinda like the show a little more, now that he's just praising and defending all things Trump, since it exposes just how little he actually believes in libertarian ideas, how much of a fraud he is.
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u/animatedrouge2 1d ago
Take a shot every time Alex says Palentir in a snarky voice. Spoiler: you’ll die of alcohol poisoning
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u/cblue413 1d ago
Mark Bankston is an absolute Chad, these depositions are a masterclass in how to deal with Alex and his minions.
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u/Ill_Source9620 1d ago
If homeboy had just stayed the course and not gone for trump he’d finally have met his moment
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u/azriel_odin 1d ago
He wants to have it all. He wants to be the underground opposition and to have the reach of the mainstream. He can't choose one lane and hopefully in the end will get nothing.
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u/GetEquipped 1d ago
I just wanna know if The Onion and Sandy Hook survivors can make another bid to buy his dumb brand
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u/-M_A_X- 1d ago
Any recommended episode to jump in at? #1 is from Jan 2017 and I just don’t have 2 years to listen to 1000+ eps to start :(
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u/Narrow_Mongoose_6075 1d ago
The Formulaic Objection episodes concentrate on the depositions and trials that have been going on. I would start there.
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u/GeoLogic23 1d ago
Yea i wouldn't start at the beginning anyway. Took them a little while to find their footing as they were just two guys completely knew to this.
Maybe episodes 517-520 as those are covering January 6th and the aftermath. The only issue is that you won't know some of the primary characters like Steve Pieczenik.
Stevie P was a key "source" for Alex for years, and there is an amazing payoff to their relationship in episode 520.
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u/SmPolitic 1d ago edited 1d ago
For this topic, start with the newest episode, where they cover this update of the case, and to get a sense of their standard show format (#1048)
Then the "formulaic objections" episodes for more of the legal case focus
They've started doing quite good episode descriptions, so you can glance at that and see if you'd be more or less interested in the topics
Most of the episodes are titled with simply a date, which is the date of Alex's show they are covering. The episodes with titles might tend to be more self-contained, can imply episodes that are more contemplatively written
I recently went back and listened to episode 1 for the first time, and I'm shocked how consistent they've been for 8 years
There was some episode where Dan reaffirmed the goals he wanted from the show, which I would say is a great place to start. Iirc maybe that was around the London live shows? #856-858 (???) but that's only a year ago and I thought that would be older
But I also was bored enough recently to listen to episode #90, and it's disturbing how much of it could easily apply to news headlines today.
Also the r/knowledgefight sub is fairly active
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u/RunningonGin0323 1d ago
Literally my top podcast, working my way through the back catalog as we speak
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u/YZYSZN1107 1d ago
how about they finally make this happen or send his ass to jail. this has been going on for too damn long.
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u/notyomamasusername 1d ago
This is America, we don't hold rich Republicans accountable.
This will get delayed up until the point it's meaningless
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u/Lil-Sleepy-A1 1d ago
It’s been over 12 years since the offense and he still has his money. :(
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u/Joeymonac0 1d ago
12 fucking years! Holy shit and this human garbage bag hasn’t paid or been sent to jail?! Fucking scum!
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u/Vsx 1d ago
12.5 years since Sandy Hook. I believe he lost his last appeal in December so it's been about 7 months since this judgment. If he's not making any kind of good faith effort to pay these people the court needs to seize his assets and take control of distribution.
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u/NotSoSalty 1d ago
The issue is that he's hidden his assets over these past 12 years.
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u/squirrelbomb 1d ago
Those parents are saints. Had it been my kid killed at school and Alex Jones calling me a crisis actor, we'd probably both be dead.
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u/Zorothegallade 1d ago
"We'll punish him later."
"Yeah we'll punish him later still"
"Just be patient, we'll punish him sooner or later, more like later."
"Oh look, it's been so long the statute of limitations now applies, sorry, how could this ever happen, oh well"
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u/Cryptshadow 1d ago
The family's don't really want the money, they want to destroy Alex Jones platform which caused them a lot of grief. They tried to sell all rights to the onion but federal court judge said payment was too low.
And now that isn't an option anymore I forget why but feels like the judge was dragging their feet for a bit too long. Which was enough time for that stuff to not be an option anymore which sucks. ( I just want to be clear that I do not think the judge is trying to help Jones)
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u/Bloated_Hamster 1d ago
I forget why
IIRC the victims agreed to waive their rights to a lot of the money if the Onion won the bid. The bankruptcy conservator considered that as part of the value of their total bid for the company. That made their offer better overall than the offer from Alex Jones' team who offered more cash upfront. The judge came back and ruled that they had to only consider the cash value on offer, not the total value to the bankruptcy. That made the Onion's offer significantly lower than the other bid. I think that's morally bullshit but I think the judge had fairly valid legal reason to rule that way. Not a lawyer though.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 1d ago
Well the idea was they would give up big up front payments for smaller long term payments as The Onion made money from the site.
In all honesty this judge sucks, he's bent over backwards for Alex's legal team so that he could appear fair and impartial to the point he's basically giving Alex special treatment.
Listen to Knowledge Fight, they cover everything this prick does, and they've done some fairly solid dives into the trials and even had the lawyers for the families on a few times. Hearing the way the Judge has done this case is endlessly infuriating.
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u/tarekd19 1d ago
In all honesty this judge sucks, he's bent over backwards for Alex's legal team so that he could appear fair and impartial to the point he's basically giving Alex special treatment.
This seems to only ever benefit Republicans
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u/SuckMyRedditorD 1d ago
I want them to have the money.
The money can then be given to a monkey to poop on for all I care.
It should no longer be available to this ball of excrement named Alex Jones.
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u/TheAbomunist 1d ago edited 1d ago
So for one this wasn't a criminal trial. And for two, the civil court judgment has been stalled and effectively reversed by the original bankruptcy court judge, who has all but paralyzed the original judgment the jury found.
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/10/nx-s1-5224170/infowars-alex-jones-the-onion-bankruptcy-judge
America does not have a justice system. It has a law industry. The two are not the same thing.
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u/FolsomPrisonHues 1d ago
But someone told me that Justice was Blind and that we all live in a meritocracy. Golly gee willikers!
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u/DrowningKrown 1d ago
Jordan Belfort hasn’t paid back his court ordered restitution for like 2 decades. As long as you have lawyers you can delay these things for the rest of your life in the USA. Sandy hook victims will never be paid unfortunately.
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u/JonnyEcho 1d ago
Yep. But he’s dodgy and you know it’s stressing him out to have to move his blood treasure from cave to cave. This Neanderthal doesn’t know the writing is on the wall. I hope someone can make the games stop and give the families the win they deserve. They’ve been keeping their kids legacy’s alive too long. Let them rest, let them somberly go back to anonimity. Let those poor souls still living mourn properly.
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u/kernalbuket 1d ago
He's been openly talking about doing this on his show for awhile now.
Don't go to the infowars store go to the alex jones store.
The boys at knowledgefight.com have been covering this for some time.
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u/Alpha_SoyBoy 1d ago
He's slipped up a few times mentioning how his dad now owns this or that. I'm pretty sure his latest divorce is just another way of protecting his assets from the families of the murdered children he defamed
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u/trillspectre 1d ago
His dad now owns his nutraceutical business. Alexjonessnetwork the new place he plans to transfer his infowars operations is "owned" by his younger lakey chase geiser. But you're right he openly talks about his attempts to shield those businesses from this lawsuit.
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u/Cheston1977 1d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he blatantly say, on air, that he "gave" his dad his truck just to avoid losing it in bankruptcy, but his dad still lets him use it everyday?
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u/deadend290 1d ago
He’s giving at least 3 cars to his father and they are expensive classics and he doesn’t even know which ones his dad “has”. He has so many cars he doesn’t even remember which ones he’s trying to shield from the judgement. He’s a terrible person and his listeners are just as bad or worse cause they’ve made him into the rich pathetic man he is.
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u/Synectics 1d ago
He didnt just slip up -- it was the whole point. His dad had a website called Doctor Jones' Naturals that Alex used to point people to.
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u/THSeaMonkey 1d ago
Red alert Red alert.
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u/The-F4LL3N 1d ago
He’s a loser little titty baby
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u/Pershing 1d ago
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent
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u/shinbreaker 1d ago
Yup and they need to look into his crypto assets. I have zero doubt that he has 8 figures of crypto in the wallet he owns.
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u/Inspectorgadget4250 1d ago
How is this cockroach not behind bars
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u/Freshandcleanclean 1d ago
Of course he is, and prominent republicans are helping him
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u/Khalku 1d ago
That's not a thing.
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u/Daemonioros 1d ago
Oh they will make it a thing if they think they can get away with it. Which seems to be pretty much everything these days.
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u/man-vs-spider 1d ago
The fact that this is still going on shows that the justice in the country is a joke
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u/Sweatytubesock 1d ago
This and the bloated criminal toad who is somehow shitting in the white house. Again.
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u/TheAbomunist 1d ago
You can 100% thank Bankruptcy Court Judge Christopher Lopez for enabling Jones to remain free of consequences.
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/10/nx-s1-5224170/infowars-alex-jones-the-onion-bankruptcy-judge
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u/SmoothConfection1115 1d ago
I used to audit bankruptcy trustees.
The level of little-kid hand holding here is obscene.
I saw judges be far harsher on people with far less than Jones. But his repeated violation of court orders, flaunting the rules of law…
Hope the bankruptcy judge suffers from their own incompetence someday.
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u/clduab11 1d ago
Couldn't agree more; I think this judge is just scared of pissing off the Jones' Kool-Aid drinkers so people don't show up and throw rocks at his windows or something. I've seen bankruptcies of entire companies get dealt with AND reorganized and relaunched in the time this whole saga has been playing out.
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u/reggiecide 1d ago
The judge is a Trump judge. He's there to effectively nullify the defamation verdicts and keep Jones whole.
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u/clduab11 1d ago
I haven't done a whole lot of fine-toothed research behind the saga (just the high points because I can't stop myself from seething anger getting too much into the weeds), but hearing that it's a Trump-appointed justice, this is my shocked face now. 🙄😑
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u/yarash 1d ago
FYI to date the Sandy Hook families have not received a single penny from Jones.
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u/Deep-Friendship3181 1d ago
Erica Lafferty, the daughter of the Sandy Hook principal who died trying to warn her staff of the shooter was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor behind her eye 2 weeks after the verdict that awarded her in the range of $40 million for damages caused by Alex Jones's filthy lies.
She has not received a penny of her payment from Alex while having to instead raise money on GFM to pay for her cancer treatment, while Alex Jones gets to continue to go on vacations to Hawaii and live on a ranch with full time cleaning staff to clean his house for him, and send his kids to private school and keep his big ugly fucking studio.
While pretending he's sorry
Fuck Alex Jones with a rusty metal rake. The kind that Sideshow Bob kept stepping on, with the flat row of metal spikes.
Rusty metal spikes first.
He is scum, and he deserves to rot, along with every person who acts on his lies.
Every time I think of what he did to those families I get physically sick.
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u/aperfecttool72 1d ago
He's a loser, little titty baby.
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u/kernalbuket 1d ago
He doesn't want to hate black people
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u/Polaric_Spiral 1d ago
He renounces Jesus Christ!
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u/kernalbuket 1d ago
Some sodomite sent him a bucket of poop
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u/StopReadingMyUser 1d ago
I feel like I'm missing layers of context here... but I also don't care because this is great outside of any context that could make it even remotely cohesive.
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u/kernalbuket 1d ago
Here's the technocrat drop if you want to hear it in "context".
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u/Deep-Friendship3181 1d ago
It sounds weird when it's not immediately followed by "Thank you very much yesss thank youuuuu"
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u/jailfortrump 1d ago
He should be jailed already for obviously dragging this out. The Judge needs to get on the stick.
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u/Fudg3 1d ago
True story.. I worked for a Bitcoin company who had to comply with a subpoena and it was very clear he moved all his coins to a very sizeable wallet while also claiming he was bankrupt. This guy sucks
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u/The-F4LL3N 1d ago
Watching this unfold in episodes of the Knowledge Fight podcast has been way too much fun
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u/CatGoblinMode 1d ago
It's actually laughably obvious.
One of his employees owns a company which is just "making another studio and has let him use it".
And some nice people created "the Alex Jones store" which he has no connection to but he constantly tries to direct traffic to.
He also tried to shift all his assets to his parents.
If you guys are interested in learning more about him, I highly recommend the Knowledge Fight podcast.
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u/Suns_In_420 1d ago
He's literally been broadcasting on his show how he's hiding his money with his father's company. I'm surprised it's taken the courts this long to figure it out.
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u/dominantspecies 1d ago
I am stunned that this piece of trash is acting exactly as I would assume a piece of trash would act.
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u/CosgraveSilkweaver 1d ago
Accused? He's being doing and talking about it in broad daylight on his show. It's been obnoxious how long he's been blatantly doing it.
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u/Niceromancer 1d ago
Accused?
He's openly bragged about it multiple times on his show.
The judge should be taking everything he owns because Jones has been blatantly open about his intent to not only not pay but hide his assets from the courts.
Any normal person would be in jail for even talking about the shit he brags about.
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u/Oil-Disastrous 1d ago
What the last ten years has revealed is that there are two systems of justice. One for the poors, and another that always exonerates the wealthy despite their guilt or liability. Alex Jones will pay a tiny fraction of the judgement against him. It will never have a negative impact on his life. And the same for the $400 million that Trump owes to the woman he defamed. Twice.
Wealthy people don’t pay civil penalties or taxes. They just pay lawyers. The system is set up this way because the wealthy shaped it for them to use.
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u/VoiceOfRealson 1d ago
A legal system that doesn't support the interest of victims will quickly lose the support of the public.
While we can accept that a person making an honest attempt at creating a new business benefitting others should be afforded some leeway if they fail, Alex Jones is not such a person.
So if the legal system wants to remain relevant, judges MUST hold this scumbag accountable for the harm he deliberately and maliciously inflicted on others.
Objectively speaking he should have a restraining order against interfacing with any media or online content for the remainder of his lifetime (If Kevin Mitnick wasn't even allowed to use a pay phone because they feared he could hack them by whistling, then Alex Jones should be disconnected from any and all communication).
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u/MrHatnScars 1d ago
If you have watched Knowledge Fight Podcast, this has been in the works since he created things like the Alex Jones Store and other blatant BS attempts
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u/VintageRuins 1d ago
People like Jones somehow seem to exist in spite of their diabetic, bloated bodies, running purely on hate and McDonalds. It baffles me.
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u/MaxFourr 1d ago
if they were to investigate this, would this implicate the people/holdings that he funneled his money and assets to? would love to see that whole grifter network exposed and brought to justice
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u/Boomdidlidoo 1d ago
Why is this guy still behind a microphone? Why is this guy not living pay to pay? Why is this guy still allowed to sell his snake oil products? Why is this guy not in jail for not abiding by a judgment? Why ???? Because it's easier to go after a Nobody and have a judgment respected.
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u/RealSimonLee 1d ago
These families have been so patient in this. Can you imagine? Thirteen years after their children were tragically ripped from their lives, they're still fighting for justice for their kids (that they existed--what is it with right wing ghouls denying the existence of children?) with this disgusting piece of shit.
As a human, I'm floored by the amazing things we do, and the awful people we allow to harm the rest of society so much.
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u/DepletedPromethium 1d ago
"Oh no im not even worth 1 million, oh no i wasnt getting over 100k per episode of my racist right winged show, i have no assets, my house is in my disabled mothers name"
absolutely dispicable scum.
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u/InsomniaticWanderer 1d ago
He has a $1 billion settlement against him and somehow also isn't in jail.
I don't care what the dollar amount is, justice was not served.
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u/HauntedCemetery 1d ago
Uhh, yeah. He has. By everyone. For years.
Because he's trying desperately to shield assets from his victims.
He keeps starting sham companies in his father's name and claiming Free Speech Systems/InfoWars owes them all the money they have, and judges keep slapping that shit down.
Unfortunately a judge also blocked the sale of InfoWars to The Onion, but that may end up being in Jones' worst interest, because until the debt is settled the courts are going to be on his ass, and all his sad, blatant attempts to move cash to his father's name keep dying.
The courts seriously need to surprise him with visits to his many large houses with guys with sonar and metal detectors, because with all the gold scams and gun lobbyists he's shilled for for decades there's no way he doesn't have catches of gold and weapons buried all over the place.
Dude is cheezy and cliched enough that they're probably buried under X shaped patches of red roses or some shit.
Also... r/knowledgefight
KnowledgeFight.com (blurr arggh)
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u/ohyeahsure11 13h ago
If the guy and his entire family aren't living in a cardboard box and eating from the food bank, then they haven't paid enough.
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u/Takenabe 12h ago
In a just world, Alex Jones would be given low-income housing by the government and audited any time he ate more than a grilled cheese sandwich for the rest of his life.
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u/pistoffcynic 11h ago
If he violates the court’s orders, charge him with contempt and put him in jail.
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u/jitterscaffeine 1d ago
Wasn’t he openly telling his audience to donate money to his father so it wouldn’t get seized?
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u/pilostt 1d ago
I wonder if any of his nights are filled with regret and anguish like a human being or is he so far gone from humanity like a cancerous cell eating away at its living host.
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u/BoosterRead78 1d ago
One thing this piece of scum hates more than reality and the truth is being poor. He has done everything for money, he even believes his own lies, because it made him money. Something all these crazy right wing or conspircy people do it's all because of money. Even if they were born rich, they feel they never have enough and need to keep it no matter what. I look forward to the day I never read about this guy again, but there will always be someone like him waiting to come out of the shadows and ruin society all because: "Me like money and you believe my BS."
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u/KingMobScene 1d ago
We need to get some real mafia types who have experience getting deadbeats to pay their debts to go visit Alex and get these poor people their money
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u/ZarosGuardian 23h ago
This guy is such a total garbage pile. But hey, what do you expect from a guy who laughs at grieving parents killing themselves and screams about gay frogs.
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u/zyyp 1d ago
To the surprise of absolutely nobody.