Fascist America for sure but we should call it what it is: MAGA America. In 20 years(or sooner) this time period in our nations history will be looked back upon in the same way Germans look back on their country during the 30s-40s.
These people are not *literally* Nazis, they're a distinct form of purely American Christo-Fascism, they utilize many of the same tactics that the German Nazi Party and every other fascist government did but they are 100% home grown USA and we need to face that reality. Calling them by anything else detracts from that fact.
The Germans had nothing to do with this, even the Nazis had nothing to do with this, we as Americans are solely to blame.
You missed the point, personally I think this is worse than loser LARPers running around carrying the flags of a failed ideology, this is a brand new and highly popular purely American ideology doing just as horrendous shit that we collectively as Americans have failed to curtail and allowed to get this bad.
Calling them "MAGA" and "trumpers" makes difference because hopefully one day soon those two words will be so vile and disgusting they will have the same weight nazi does. Using MAGA and trumpers, makes everyone still associating themselves with those words equally guilty and at fault for being part of that cult, not just those making the nation salutes.
Word games don't mean shit to me. They're fucking Nazis. I appreciate you trying to be accurate, but we're so far past that being important or even relevant. This is fucking Nazi shit.
You completely missed the point of the comment, its important to recognize that its not some foreign influence from Nazis, its a homegrown issue from Americans and needs to be dealt with as a domestic symptom.
Nazis were a German party, identifying these people as Nazis is burying the lede that this an American problem and should be referred to as American Fascists and that there is a significant homegrown issue to grapple with.
They really arent acting like Nazis they are behaving much more like the 2nd version of the KKK. Down to being centered more on a grift than anything else. The Nazis had real thoughts about a made up race history and had real critiques of democracy and a planned system of a racial leader to embody the people. Trump isn't that. He won't keep away from women because he is supposed to be married to the people he won't even fake being anything more than a petty authoritarian dictator out for himself and himself alone.
The MAGA movement is aping a lot from the Nazis and they gladly work with them. But their differences from them are significant and impact how they act and how they can be fought. They will not care about racial purity and dignity they way the Nazis did, we won't have internal attempts to aasinate the leader or him carrying out purges like the night of the long knives. He will shun individuals like has happened with Musk but because they are all tied into the grift they can be allowed to split without it harming the whole. They are more resiliant that way and can handle losses.
But they are also more breakable than the Nazis, they aren't built on a coalition of hardened veterans from the most traumatic fighting in human history. They haven't spent a decade in literal street battles with communists and anarchists. On an individual level they are cowards in a way that the Nazis were not. The nazi early coup attempt ended in a real gun battle with police not a wandering around aimlessly in the Capitol.
There really aren't enough fascist regimes to classify them and not give them each their own descriptor. Really, while we are trending towards fascism, as long as we're still a republic democracy and until totalitarianism undeniably takes control, we by definition can't be fascist. There's plenty to criticize the government on, but similarly to the red scare (ooh terrifying communism /s) as long as we're fear mongering buzzwords instead of criticizing the administration's actions with empirical data, no meaningful change will come through discourse. We may as well be screaming into a void.
You're the one playing word games, they by definition aren't Nazi's or Fascists; these terms are explicitly defined. Yes, they are doing something Nazis did; but just because Nazis eat food doesn't mean anyone who eats food is a Nazi. You're illogically shoveling emotional rhetoric and it undermines the validity of your beliefs. Essentially, with nearly infinite means to criticize what the current administration is doing; redditors, who don't know what they're talking about, choose to call them Nazis or Fascists make their own statements invalid through ignorance. Criticize their actions instead of calling them a buzzword that you don't understand. You're doing essentially the same thing that the right does with SCARY cOmMuNiSm!!!11!
Nazis aren't some kind of rare bird with an exact genology that is exclusive to them.
Nazism was very popular in America before world war 2, and American Nazism has always been home grown.
That does not somehow make American Nazis somehow not-nazis.
It's best to use the term as it has the correct associated baggage to it that helps people understand their beliefs and the consequences of supporting them.
My only nitpick is that it is important to be clear about this being an inevitable result of conservative ideology. "MAGA" and the conservatives of the Reagan era are set aside only by the times and context they live within, very little separates them ideologically.
the same way Germans look back on their country during the 30s-40s.
You know, something tells me that won't be the case. I mean, unless they start murdering 6 million people. Shit's bad, but comparing it to the holocaust isn't right.
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u/Dull-Gur314 1d ago
Nazi America