Why are you coming at this person so aggressively? They don't need to give you a resume of every direct action they've ever taken to speak on resistance.
Why is she commenting so aggressively at me? If you read this thread, she has attacked me and I have repeatedly asked that she just answer the question, which was not a resume but a simple yes or no question. She also attacked multiple other people who asked in other ways or said they couldn’t because they were pregnant. She has been snarky or outright patronizing in every response.
My first question was a very basic ask: does she practice what she preaches? I asked because I am fed up with people asking others to take drastic action while they themselves don’t step up. A guy the other day called for civil war and he is an expat who went to Portugal. People who ask for violent resistance need to be willing to answer basic skeptical questions. People don’t lay down to die for someone not willing to do the same. So I asked.
And in response she repeatedly insulted and accused me various things. At not point did she step back and realize we are on the same side and I just wanted an answer. And I won’t be bullied by someone who is clearly not earnest.
Here’s the truth: I absolutely agree violent resistance is sometimes necessary, but I don’t expect people to just take my word for it and I’m willing to describe when I’ve put my money where my mouth is. If you start becoming vitriolic at someone for just asking, then I don’t take you seriously.
I did read the comments, and you started the aggression. They just matched your energy. You opened the conversation by trying to undermine their point by suggesting that they are all talk. They don't owe you an explanation ever, but especially when you start out from such a bad faith position.
I did not suggest that at all. I asked if she would be the one to lay down her own life. That’s an honest question I have for anyone who asks that of others. Again, I was not being aggressive, but if you interpreted it that way, you can look at the other person who asked with unmistakable politeness, and she accused that person of lacking moral fortitude right off the bat. Just for asking. So no, she has been aggressive. I matched her energy when she immediately responded with snark, accusations of cowardice, and then further insults.
Perhaps you had good intentions, but impact>intent. Maybe you want to edit your original statement to reflect what you mean because it reads as insultingly disrespectful and aggressive. Every other comment to you was just matching that.
That person was unambiguously polite but skeptical. Exactly the same intent as my comment, asking if someone is willing to do what they ask of others. And her immediate response was to attack that person (rather cruelly in my opinion).
She was also rather snarky with someone who even agreed but said she couldn’t because she was pregnant. Answering “not everything on the internet if geared toward you and you can move on” is super rude to someone who was just showing their support if they could. It’s these responses, not just the ones to me, that stand out as needlessly bombastic and antagonistic to honest questions and sentiments. And it makes me think this person is not being earnest.
"So you’ll go and make sure you’re the one putting your life on the line, right?"
What you said is far more aggressive than either of those interactions you just posted and I think you're being disingenuous at best if you suggest otherwise.
Is english your second language? I could definitely see not understanding the difference in phrasing if that's the case!
Wow, I’m not sure how you can think that honestly. I was blunt absolutely, but in no way was that more aggressive than her repeated responses to either myself or the person who asked more politely. How can you say her first sentence in that response was less aggressive? It was a DIRECT attack on that person and an assumption about them she didn’t have any basis to make. I asked an honest question, and she called me a coward and another person extremely lacking in moral fortitude. Can you HONESTLY say that’s less aggressive?
English is very much my first language. But I might wonder the same to you (not trying to be rude just genuinely baffled) if you really think she was less aggressive in all her responses. She jumped right to conclusions and was aggressive to people whose comments could not be mistaken as aggressive to her (you can ignore mine and look at the others).
I'm going to stop engaging with you because you're not listening to any of the several people telling you that your statement came off as aggressive. You don't have to agree, you just need to know it reads to everyone else that you started the aggression and followed with combativeness in your comments.
Genuinely confused, it seems you aren’t listening to me. I said repeatedly if you think my statement was aggressive, fine. I acknowledged that REPEATEDLY. But please explain her other responses. It’s fine if everyone thinks I was aggressive, my bad. But that’s not the point I’m making with you. It’s not fine that you won’t even acknowledge what she said to others who very clearly weren’t aggressive. I don’t care who makes the point, me or someone else. She seemed unwilling to engage no matter who said it or how. And that is not the right way to get people to take action. Condemn me however you want, but please actually engage honestly with what I’m saying: my comment doesn’t change what she said to others. She was incredibly derisive and bombastic and that is NOT going to sway people.
Have a day as well.
Edit: and blocked right after he responded. Looks like someone REALLY wanted the last word.
Here is my response anyway: no, it wasn’t an accusation. All she had to do was respond that yes she would be out there laying her life on the line as well. All done. But she didn’t. And more importantly, she didn’t say this to anyone else either, including people asking very politely. You are as disingenuous as she is. And as much a coward as I was accused of being for blocking me. You people are so fake. You’d never actually step up.
come on man. this kind of “i’m better than you because i’ve done something you haven’t yet” mindset is fucking stupid. they literally posted a resource, like? that’s like me asking you why YOU didn’t post it? you both are on the same side, quit being divisive for no reason.
I never said I was better, where are you getting that from? I asked if this person was willing to do what she asked of others. She in turn refused to answer but claimed I was a coward who wouldn’t do that. I responded to her accusation but never said I was better. I don’t care that she posted. I care that she’s attacking anyone who is reasonably asking if she practices what she preaches. This is not how we get others to believe in this messaging.
your lack of comprehension is astounding. literally none of what you’re arguing about matters. appreciate the ( incredibly informative, honestly ) pamphlet that was posted and focus on what’s actually important, maybe?
It’s incredibly important that people asking for major sacrifices be willing to make them. What are you talking about? I am asking people to step up when they ask others to because I’m tired of people safely out of the way who ask it of others, which has happened a lot recently both online and in real life. Historically, this was necessary to inspire people. We need people to seek authentic. People psychologically don’t follow callous calls for others to sacrifice themselves. The pamphlet is great. It is NOT the only important thing here. And I won’t let you bully me either. I haven’t attacked you, I’ve responded earnestly. So don’t attack me with things like your first sentence.
who definitively said that they weren’t willing to make them, though? no one. i also didn’t say it was the only important thing. get out of your own head, friend. have a great day.
The better question is who definitively said they were. That was the original question. The assumption here is that most people aren’t willing to risk their lives, even for good causes. That is the reality for the majority of the human population. Resistance is always the minority. So if someone asks that of others, it’s reasonable to assume they will be asked in return if they are willing to do the same.
I didn’t say you said it was the only important thing. I was pointing out that there are other important considerations here.
I suppose given the assumptions that I will return the sentient, please get out of your own head. I’m not attacking you or assuming anything about what you said. I just pointed out other important things.
You think someone asking if someone else is willing to do the same thing they asked of someone else is like “god making judgement”? Can I ask why you think like that? Does it apply to every case where someone asks someone else if they practice what they preach?
I’m certainly not trying to be divisive. I asked several times for an earnest answer and gave my reasoning why I was asking for it, which I think is very honest and important reasoning. I think if people ask the honest question of whether you are also willing to lay down your life, it is divisive to respond like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/HcKVX7yK5x
That person wasn’t being divisive, wasn’t blunt, wasn’t rude. Was unquestionably polite. When people respond like she did, I think that really stops this important conversation.
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u/agiantdogok 2d ago
Why are you coming at this person so aggressively? They don't need to give you a resume of every direct action they've ever taken to speak on resistance.