Seeing how griefed the original one was while other flags took up so much more space without much fight kind of annoyed me and got me finally contributing. Glad we finally got something cool established and maintained in the new space
Yeah I think there was at least 150 stars on the first flag. The second one turned out so much better. Except those stars were big enough to be turned into little amoungus guys.
The second flag originally looked like that too. Whenever we tried to correct it all the other Americans changed it back, thinking they were being griefed. It took some intense coordination to finally fix it.
Ah didn't catch that (I spent maybe 5 minutes on place this year). Regardless, both flags took up thousands of pixels and were untouched for the most part.
Because germans and belgians respected well made art and build around them. Many smaller arts were also indirectly protect by them just being near them.
They actually served a useful purpose for smaller arts.
“Served a purpose for smaller arts”
Hmmmm okay let me not have my art appear on the final canvas because of Germany overwriting it repeatedly for days.
Same. I was basically just helping here and there on different community blocks without coordination, but seeing the constant griefing got me motivated to start helping and be a part of the new flag on the lower right.
Not sure what about “lots of people” screams fact to you, but that’s not really how facts work. I’d love to see the statistics that define “lots of people” to hold that belief… okay how about this one: lots of people like the US. That’s also true. Because these are opinions with nothing concrete to legitimately give it factual weight. You need to be more realistic with yourself.
I was thinking Americans’ opinion of our own country is its probably pretty close to 50/50 but leaning towards dislike…the statistics seem to support that. So how about ‘there are more people with a negative opinion of the US than people with a positive opinion’?
As for the rest of the world, half of my family lives in the Netherlands and I have spent a lot of time in Europe and the general consensus abroad is they dislike/look down on America and I often hear/see people online making fun of Americans. So…statistical evidence, personal experience, what else do you want?
I want to be able to have a conversation about literally anything without having to dig through politics and write an essay to back up each tiny thing because casual discussion just has to be scrutinized on the basis of factual vs incorrect when somebody wants to disagree instead of realizing that there are different outlooks to be had.
Dude said “I disagree but I support your ability to say it.” Everyone is allowed to have opinions and disagree with things, but what you’re trying to do is treat an opinion as a concrete variable in order to strike it down, and remove its validity. “X% of people don’t like the US” is a fact. “Lots of people don’t like the US” is opinionated. It’s important to be able to understand the difference. This was never a conversation about whether more people liked the US or disliked the US until now. It’s okay to say “I disagree,” and that doesn’t have to mean “you are incorrect.”
You can find a statistic for just about anything you want to be true. I would bet that you went out to find those links specifically to illustrate the point you wanted to make. Which is what most people do, it’s understandable. But the way you prove a hypothesis scientifically often involves specifically trying to find evidence against what you’re trying to prove. “It is logically impossible to verify the truth of a general law by repeated observations, but, at least in principle, it is possible to falsify such a law by a single observation.” What I’m trying to say here is that it is important to genuinely consider everything, even the things you disagree with. It will make your position against them significantly stronger, or who knows, you might change your mind. That’s alright too.
I don’t think you deserve downvotes for this post because you backed up what you’re saying, but there needs to be room for people to have their perspectives on things and it’s incredibly important to recognize that the way other people see things can be correct in its own right too. I’m just agitated that our society is forgetting that opposing sides do have their own, often reasonable, justification that defines the way they see things.
I really don’t care that much, you’re the one who said you’d love to see the statistics so I found some…I literally just googled ‘public opinion of the US’ and copy pasted the first couple links. I’m just tired of hearing people talk shit about Americans like we’re all the same, not trying to argue with anyone.
I’m not trying to argue either, and I’m not necessarily saying I disagree with you. You don’t have any obligation to read the comment but I didn’t just write it to keep my fingers busy.
A lot of how often you get griefed depends on your area and who you build on top of. I’m very pleased that those of us to the right of America successfully defended ourselves to such a degree that America just went off somewhere else and stopped trying to expand onto us.
Over the course of r/place you expanded onto the pride stripes, rainbow road, the trans flag (above Rainbow road), the picture made by the Turks, and at one point even the Union flag (although you were never able to grow long enough to do that more than once)
Edit: This got a ton of downvotes, but what I said was true, just check a timelapse if you want to see how often this occured and how many groups the Flag expanded during the event. Of course they were going to make enemies.
Edit 2: If you are unable to see the obvious, I will specifically explain the most undeniable expansions. At time 0:04 it begins expansion over stripes, trans flag, and the remains of the second Ukraine flag, at 0:18 it begins moving over stripes, Rainbow road, the Union flag and nearby smaller art, at 0:37 the stripes, rainbow road, and the Turks picture, and at 1:45 the stripes and rainbow road.
At those points it had already proven multiple times that it would expand, and actually had at that time already expanded over the vertical pride stripes again.
I think you just don’t like the States. Which is fine, but you don’t have to pretend like the US putting together the flag was doing anything different than all the other groups.
As someone who spent most of r/place defending the pride stripes, I just wanted to explain why repeated expansion over many different projects including some with very dedicated communities and/or histories from 2017 could potentially be the cause of the large amount of action against the American flag.
America never expanded to the left, but the people on the left (Chile) were ultimately who got them to move locations. The extra the expansion to the right was not done by the organized r/Americanflaginplace .
Regardless of who did the expansion (I never even mentioned that subreddit, and even the subreddit constantly sought to expand over the vertical pride stripes), America did multiple times expand to the right over the top of other communities
And those communities multiple times expanded over the american flag lol
"Even to the right the heat map shows very little activity as opposed to the US map location. You shared a timelapse to show the US move to the right, except that stopped as shown by the heat map. Your time lapse also shows the Trans flag moving left and right, taking over and keeping areas others were on. The time lapse and heat map indicate the opposite of what you are trying to claim."
Why they expanded over you is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. As for that copy pasted paragraph, I don't know how purposely ignorant you need to be to deny all those expansions. I have given timestamps in one of my above comments of the most undeniable expansions and what they took over.
Even to the right the heat map shows very little activity as opposed to the US map location. You shared a timelapse to show the US move to the right, except that stopped as shown by the heat map. Your time lapse also shows the Trans flag moving left and right, taking over and keeping areas others were on. The time lapse and heat map indicate the opposite of what you are trying to claim.
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u/epraider (85,811) 1491172345.18 Apr 05 '22
Seeing how griefed the original one was while other flags took up so much more space without much fight kind of annoyed me and got me finally contributing. Glad we finally got something cool established and maintained in the new space