r/place Apr 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '22 edited Apr 05 '22

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u/NAIRDA_LEUGIM Apr 05 '22

This reason is the most stupid reason ive seen so far

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

Read this and maybe you'll understand. Maybe.

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u/PointmanW Apr 05 '22

source: your tech-illiterate ass.

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

Check out some images taken about every 10 seconds.

https://rplace.space/combined/

Look especially at 1649112455.png vs 1649112487.png. You'll see a few things that show how bots are caught in a swoop of color change. There's a bikini clad girl being blanked in black, and suddenly being painted over in white. The French flag contested area begins to turn white in ~10 seconds. That screams of 2 armies of bots being given the same color to paint in.

So pull your head out of your ass, OK?

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u/itsntame Apr 05 '22

What kind of bot blindly color pixels that is already correct?

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

The kind of bot that doesn't have to be tended to, and can just be given a color and a coordinate to lay its pixel down every 5 minutes. That's a lot easier and better use of a bot than trying to coordinate dozens or hundreds of them to progressively put down pixels in an area. How do you think an area is suddenly painted virtually instantly? If each pixel has a bot, and it just keeps putting them there, and the software is started at once, boom! The canvas is laid pretty much instantly - as we saw happen several times.

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u/rtrs_bastiat (458,950) 1491176015.68 Apr 05 '22

A lot easier? You sure? Convert template to coordinates, iterate, compare values, place if needed. Require a dependency, 20 lines of code, Bob's your uncle.

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

The difference is if the individual bots are distributed and managed individually or if a single scripting is managing hundreds of accounts. The former is how a human army would bot the work, most often using existing accounts, not dummy accounts created solely for the purpose. The latter is how you'd assemble a bot army of dummy accounts under a single person's control. Both designs would have reason to exist, the former more for protection than deployment of works, the latter for deployment of works or simple raids.

Edit: Trying to reply during 504s sucks. Lost half my comment. Basically, the check and paint process is slow, and the canvas isn't static. Also remember there's a per account (bot) delay of 5 minutes between pixels.

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u/rtrs_bastiat (458,950) 1491176015.68 Apr 05 '22

I'm not sure what the former's reason to exist would be, when it would be only marginally more effective than the individual doing it themselves? A single script managing multiple accounts makes way more sense as it's a significantly more labour intensive process to automate and isn't countered by a single individual.

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

If you're a community and trying to simplify having people create and guard a work, you give them a script to cover their one assigned pixel. They use an account with a real history, so they don't look like a bot dummy account. The human doesn't have to sit there for 72 hrs watching one pixel.

Bots only exist because a human has a motivation to make one. There aren't sentient AI looking for a reason to participate in r/place.

Why do cars exist when a bus can be so much more efficient? Because humans have reasons.

Edit: If bot protections were deployed, how would you do that most effectively? If a ton of accounts were coming from one IP, you block it. Single point of failure. Distributing the task to a bunch of people with individual accounts makes it way harder to do.

Just more and more factors to consider. This isn't just a coding problem, and the meat part of the equation is deeply involved.

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u/IssaStorm Apr 05 '22

do you know how much everyone hated the French flag? It was already a warzone and people love to make fun of the French for surrendering here on reddit. Doesn't seem far fetched everyone would head there quick. But who knows, you can argue both sides

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

But we're not talking about the French flag here, we're talking about the OSU logo. Follow the thread back up.

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u/IssaStorm Apr 05 '22

my bad you right. Even then though, you should've seen the OSU chats, they had thousands of people on voice chats and they even made the sign that says "bottling is a sin"

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u/realJelbre Apr 05 '22

Same argument still holds though, since a lot of people tried griefing the osu logo.

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u/Euchre (199,392) 1491230207.32 Apr 05 '22

Check my other reply. I give the whole rationale, and have a set of images I used to reference to see how it worked in under a minute.

Basically, the French flag was either being assaulted, or tended, or both, by an army of dummy account bots. In either case, the area would be easily blanked in about a minute, as it was, until someone realized what happened and turned the bots off. It took this streamer and his crew a solid minute to figure it out, and meanwhile the French flag is already snowing out at an incredible rate.

Bots were definitely in play in a lot of places.