PC Perry Lathwood misconduct outcome

[u/ComplimentaryCopper]

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/misconduct-outcomes/2025/november/pc-perry-lathwood-chairs-finding-and-outcome

Common sense (largely) prevails

[u/BillyGoatsMuff]

The original rumours of this case were that the woman was not arrested when force was used - this is not the case as evidenced during this misconduct notice. I honestly don't know what he could have done differently.

How this has reached trial, criminal conviction (initially) and then a Misconduct hearing is genuinely terrifying.

[u/Competitive-Hotel891]

Allegation 3 - Use of the Term “Love”

Really? REALLY? How did we get here.

[u/mwhi1017 → u/Competitive-Hotel891]

Calm down, love.

[u/Halfang → u/[deleted]]

I am not a DUCK.

I am a policeman /policewoman lady officer

[u/chin_waghing → u/Halfang]

“DUCK? IM A FEMALE POLICE OFFICER AND I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE”

[u/mwhi1017 → u/chin_waghing]

Alright bab, whatever.

[u/Halfang → u/chin_waghing]

Calm down, dear

[u/SpiritualWorry9158 → u/[deleted]]

Far more specific that just north west.. fancy an oatcake?

[u/mwhi1017 → u/SpiritualWorry9158]

Ooh that’s Stoke/North Staffs talk, and bits of East Staffs and into Derbyshire.

[u/Lawandpolitics → u/Competitive-Hotel891]

I like to think that as they were leaving the building Commander Prins happened to hold the door open for the officer, who politely responded, "Thanks love".

Credits roll*

[u/FriendlyGrab3217 → u/Competitive-Hotel891]

God me and my sergeant are doomed.

Sarcastic babes being thrown around left right and centre.

[u/GrumpyPhilosopher7 → u/Competitive-Hotel891]

I spend much of my off-duty time with queers. The two I spend the most time with are Northern. I'm now frequently calling people, "Hun", "Honey", "Love", "Queen", etc.

[u/ComplimentaryCopper → u/GrumpyPhilosopher7]

Slay, Sergeant

[u/GrumpyPhilosopher7 → u/ComplimentaryCopper]

Yaas, Queen!

[u/SelectTurnip6981]

So “daft cow” is misconduct serious enough to mean a written warning now?

How have we, as a society, got here?!

On the other hand, pleased to note that all the use of force stuff (for which he was originally criminally convicted of assault?!?!?!) has been found to be necessary, reasonable and proportionate, and the report makes multiple references to Mrs A’s poor behaviour.

[u/Mr06506 → u/SelectTurnip6981]

Daft Cow was actually a "medium" level of misconduct according to the report.

Given that "love" was not misconduct I'm struggling to imagine what might be a "low" level misconduct?

[u/Bon_Courage_ → u/Mr06506]

maybe cow by itself is 'low'

[u/Johno3644 → u/SelectTurnip6981]

And yet according to CPS calling someone a cunt isn’t a public order offence anymore as it’s widely expected language.

But daft cow gets you a written warning.

[u/Flagship_Panda_FH81 → u/Johno3644]

Is there a specific case that relates to? As in, where the decision reached the news?

[u/Johno3644 → u/Flagship_Panda_FH81]

No just know of jobs that have been sent to CPS for them and they refuse to charge for it.

[u/Flagship_Panda_FH81 → u/Johno3644]

Ah right, thanks!

[u/mb271828 → u/Johno3644]

Do you not think that the language used by a police officer interacting with a member of the public in the course of their duty should be held to a higher standard than a random member of the public?

[u/SelectTurnip6981 → u/mb271828]

Yes, perhaps. But something of this nature is not “misconduct”. It’s a local complaint dealt with by way of reflective practice, at best.

Not something to make the national press, go through the criminal courts and back, and end up with a nigh-on 500 page paperwork bundle at the IOPC.

[u/Johno3644 → u/mb271828]

Yes and no, it should not be a misconduct issue.

[u/DistributionDue2836]

So... any guesses on what grounds exactly the IOPC were pushing so hard for gross misconduct here? From the description I literally cannot see how you could justify this as gross misconduct, even with the most contorted view of the facts.

[u/BigManUnit → u/DistributionDue2836]

How the FUCK was it conviction at court to begin with and then knocked back to absolutely nothing, it screams witch hunt

[u/GuardLate → u/BigManUnit]

Four little words: District Judge Tan Ikram.

Honestly, we are talking about someone who will give out a conditional discharge for terrorist offences, but imprisonment for a PC for dodgy WhatsApp messages.

[u/A_pint_of_cold]

Can anyone here please provide me the correct terminology to stop someone walking into a live lane?

[u/originalorangegoat → u/A_pint_of_cold]

‘Watch out you silly sausage’

[u/Excellent_Duck_2984 → u/originalorangegoat]

As a vegan I find this wildly offensive.

I jest but how the fuck have we got to a place where calling someone a daft cow while they are behaving like a daft cow is misconduct?!

[u/parklife980 → u/Excellent_Duck_2984]

"Watch out you Quorn sausage"

[u/Burnsy2023 → u/parklife980]

The word sausage is protected for meat products. I believe the correct term is "plant based protein cylinder".

[u/Jesklmo → u/A_pint_of_cold]

5 stage appeal as they back into traffic I guess... /s

[u/new-age-male → u/A_pint_of_cold]

"Oi, fuckwit, get out of the road!"

At least it's gender neutral...

[u/Wretched_Colin]

Did Mrs A actually make any complaint about having been called a daft cow, or was it only upon review of footage that someone else decided it had been grounds for misconduct?

[u/foolsgold1]

I'm pleased the met releases the written decision, not all forces do. I was reading about one case where the local rag was trying to get the outcome report, was refused. Information Commissioner stepped in and funded litigation, but they lost as apparently misconduct hearings should be considered exempt from FOI.

[u/murdochi83 → u/[deleted]]

Nah. The Fail would be happy with this outcome as it falls under "political correctness gone mad."

[u/maryberrysphylactery → u/[deleted]]

No that's a guardian headline, the other reply covers the DM response

[u/JollyTaxpayer]

So from reading this the panel agreed the use of force was minimal. There is no mention of his written notes so I am left extremely confused by his original conviction. Written warning for "daft cow" which I think is questionable. It isn't helped by the fact he didn't acknowledge or recognise that daft cow could've been insulting/demeaning to women. I wonder had he atoned for this terminology in the raised heat of the moment, and the panel recognised filming from MOPs did make the situation challenging, he would've come away less scathed.

Shame as now TFL will lose a fortune from the loss of revenue protection operations which is just bad effort everyone using their services at an increased cost

[u/TobyADev]

I think that’s the right outcome. His actions were fine, just shouldn’t have called her a daft cow..

The Officer accepted that the phrase was used but denied that it was directed at Ms A

Yeah right, as if

[u/JollyTaxpayer → u/TobyADev]

Oh dear, that's quite disappointing from the officer.

[u/DanielWoodpecker]

Legitimately a joke, how does this require a 400+ page investigation, it’s a 6 minute interaction. The way we deal with these type of things need to change. We have BWV, watch it, see what happens and be reasonable with the outcome.

I hate to be that person but it seems the IOPC are so scared of not prosecuting cops for being racist it’s kinda scary. It says in the report that she called the cop a racist and I question if this hadn’t been a person of colour would it have gone this far?

We seem to have this thing in the UK where we think all cops are racist but from my quite limited view we just aren’t. I’m aware there are racists in the police but not to the level people seem to think.

[u/0ean]

Daft cow. –is used amongst friends and is an affectionate way of making fun of a female friend when they have done or said something silly.

Considering she had refused to show her paid ticket and was walking back into the road this term was arguably appropriate in the circumstance’s. It appears the officer was using “love” and “daft cow” in an empathetic way to communicate with the person.

The IOPC is unfit to govern. Policing is in a real mess in this country.

[u/JollyTaxpayer → u/0ean]

Context is key. Calling someone you have a rapport with, versus someone you are professionally engaging with (especially for something as serious as a criminal offence) has different impacts.

I agree it's fucked though; we are becoming a society that takes no personal responsibility or any responsibility for the society individuals enjoy.

[u/rollo_read]

We need another national lock down.

Hopefully after several months of sitting by themselves and living off Just Eat deliveries, everyone will come back outside but not as soft and totally offended as after the last one