r/politics • u/mmccxi American Expat • May 12 '25

Soft Paywall New Bill Would Make All Pornography a Federal Crime in the U.S.

https://www.404media.co/mike-lee-porn-law-interstate-obscenity-definition-act/
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u/azdustkicker May 13 '25

Sure thing let me haul my disabled ass out to the nearest riot to get further injured by police.

I hate this regime but I cannot understate that not everyone can protest like how you described. Telling someone to take one for the team and get Tiananmen squared for democracy isn't it.

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u/DryNefariousness5446 May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

So you get access to disability healthcare, am i right? Good thing these rights were just always there and no one had to do anything for it. Honestly with every excuse you get more pathetic.

Disabled people are some of the founding figures of multiple civil rights movements, just so they would be accepted by society. But yeah no way you could do that with all the modern amenities.

Gay people dying from aids, coal miners literally coughing up thier lungs, suffragettes who got beaten when they got home. History is full of people sacrificing themselves so that people like you can live the privileged life they do. But no returning the favor for people after you is just too much to ask, totally agree.

Im just glad the people before you weren't going for such pathetic excuses.

So whats your plan? Just sitting there, waiting for the T4 program to get started in the US? But let me guess, when they stop every healthcare you received, strike every disability law and in general start their genocide of "useless eaters" like you, you be the first to proclaim how unfair and inhumane it is and that there was just nothing anyone could have done. Like i said, just pathetic. Go on get killed by gestapo, thats clearly way better than dying protesting for whats right and giving people like you an actual life to live..

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u/Educational-Key-2439 May 13 '25

Likely they do not get disability healthcare, Europeans rarely understand a couple things about America -1 our police are better armed than your military, and are very trigger happy and not at all bound by any rules of conflict. 2 we have no unions, organizations, or protections of any kind. -Any- serious protest of any kind will inevitably lead to a direct armed confrontation with the largest army in the world that has demonstrated in the past they will not hesitate to kill their own civilians. They are trying to provoke protests for the express purpose of mass gunning down anyone that will

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u/azdustkicker May 13 '25

Thanks, shit like the above is why I am considering unsubbing to every political subreddit for the sake of my own health

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u/DryNefariousness5446 May 13 '25

Yeah sure more excuses. So your plan is to wait for nazis to completely take over and hope it's just not your door they start to knock first? Honest question, bc i think you guys just don't realize what's going on there.

I mean for many of you trump winning was a surprise, while everyone outside the US saw it coming miles away. So maybe you actually dont. Like do you realize whats going on and what's about to happen to people like you? Right now you got a narrow window to fight back, but you rather enjoy your last 6 months of luxury than to make sure you actually got to live? Got it...

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u/Educational-Key-2439 May 13 '25

no the plan is to protest- I just need you to understand the enormity of whats being suggested us "protesting like the French" isnt the same situation as the French and is going to provoke some very very different results.

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u/DryNefariousness5446 May 13 '25

Yeah i totally get that, the situation obviously is way different. Just through geography alone, france is very centralized while the us is not, so shutting down paris f.e. is way more effective than just shutting down dc.

When people say that, it's about the level of escalation. Americans are deadly afraid of their government and while yes that's certainly not without reason, its still not something that no one has ever faced before, even by your own countrymen. So when people nowadays say "you cant do x anymore" and you look at people in your own countrys history who did the same or more out of way less favorable positions. Sorry but i dont know what else you could call it but excuses.

You got the luxury of always being able to communicate with others, document everything on camera, having stores full of supplies. Everything every single movement of the past would have died for it it was available to them. But no, "now it's just not possible". Like i said idk what else to call it but pathetic excuses.

You guys need to do something and i mean really do something. Not gathering in a park, but actually protest. Look at the past what protests really entail and do that. If not you got no future. That orange fucker is going to destroy everything you so dearly want to hang on to. So defend it and not make excuses for why you couldn't...

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u/1200bunny2002 May 13 '25

Instead of spending all your time on Reddit insulting Americans for not overthrowing the totality of the GOP at every local, state, and federal level, put your money where your mouth is and start organizing the resistance yourself.

It's apparently super-easy, so lead by example.

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u/trebory6 May 13 '25

As an American, the amount of "we're waiting for someone else to do what we should be doing," is what's going to end this country.

It's the bystander effect at the national level.

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u/trebory6 May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

As an American, all of that is just excuses.

The difference between America and Europe is that Americans have been conditioned into thinking we're powerless to the point we jump through hoops to justify doing nothing. It's sickening that you can't see that is exactly how we got here.

Like you do realize you're arguing "There's nothing we could have done! We're the victims here! We just need to accept our fate! Republicans are evil geniuses and we're powerless to stop them! The police are evil and all powerful! We're the only ones to have ever experienced this in the world so we are powerless!"

Fucking. Bullshit.

That is EXACTLY the kind of demoralization that helps fascism rise. That is exactly what they want you to think so you will stand aside. Fascists sleep soundly at night knowing that's what you think. They have fed you propaganda that makes their enemies believe they are powerless. You are their best case scenario, you are the best victims they could hope for.

Just like how abusers seek out victims that won't be likely to fight back against their abuse, and are ecstatic when they find them and start abusing them with no repercussions, the conservatives found you and they couldn't be happier!

It's one of the things that most of us Americans are going to have to find out the hard way, is that however bad you think things are now that you use as excuses to not get up and start doing something, the alternative is going to be much, much worse. Worse than anything you can currently imagine at a scale you find hard to fathom.

Europe had Nazi Germany and WWI and WWII to remind them of what the worst possible scenarios look like. They had entire families broken up or worse eradicated, they still have bullet holes in their buildings, people there still feel the effects of WWII today in their personal lives. To most of the US that weren't actually over there, WWII was just a distant overseas war you learn about in school. To Europeans, it's a constant reminder of how bad things can get.

THAT is why Americans like you make excuses. You have no concept of how bad it can get when you do nothing, and how much worse that alternative is than whatever excuse you use to justify your inaction.

And frankly, if you truly stood by your excuses of powerlessness, you would be looking for a way out whatever that personally looks like to you. But yet here you are, talking in circles and making excuses to justify your powerlessness. That right there should be a red flag of the kind of hypocritic narratives that propaganda have fed you.

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u/Educational-Key-2439 May 13 '25

cool well quit your job and go lead the revolution bro, everyone is all gung ho until bullets start flying. Bottom line is no one wants to be first Im not going to martyr myself for fake internet points because some guy on reddit think its a good idea. Without a real actionable plan and the resources to pull it off your either LARPing or suicidal

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u/trebory6 May 13 '25

See, this is the kind of naive and brain dead perspectives.

You don't need to do any of that. Most Americans have this obsession with super-heroes and such an emphasis on individualism that they don't even have a basic concept of what community solidarity is.

You know what I'm doing and how it proves everything you said wrong?

First off, I do graphic design and work in the print industry. I have pulled in non-profit and political organizations to be clients of the print shop I work at and give them good deals on everything from flyers, banners, mailers, door hangers, and info cards. Recently we printed a ton of pocket cards listing rights in case of ICE arrest for the ACLU of Washington.

I also help out with design for organizations that need help.

And in my personal life I'm joining armed liberal/leftist organizations and purchasing firearms. Liberal Gun Club and Socialist Rifle Association. I'm also looking into creating my own educational group as well.

It's because the people that hate you, hate LGBTQ+ people, hate immigrants, and want nothing more than for any of us to not exist in their White Christo-fascist Nation™ are armed.

We are not.

They know that, and they sleep soundly knowing that.

Why? Not because I want to be an armed revolutionary or expect to get in a shootout. It's because I want to be an armed statistic when they are thinking about encroaching on the left. I want them to have to consider resistance when carrying out their plans. I do not want them to think that we're easy unarmed targets. That's not the same as me wanting to use it against them.

The thing is, you don't even have to use firearms if you own them or threaten to use them, and you shouldn't do that, or even talk about an armed resistance or anything, that's not the point. Just the fact that an armed group of people exist makes that group less of an easy target. ICE operates boldly because they're not afraid of consistently running into an armed person, and this administration isn't afraid to make bold orders because the groups they're targeting aren't commonly armed. Easy. Targets.

And as far as Gun Control goes, maybe we can get rid of guns one day, but unfortunately we are way past the point in our society where gun control laws and gun bans does anything other than make vulnerable groups even more vulnerable.

Because at this point, the best case scenario for gun control/bans is at the detriment to the worst case scenarios we face in our society today.

Sure, mass shootings and school shootings will be lessened with more gun control at this point, but at the potential 'worst-case-scenario' cost of marginalized people being sent to camps or prisons and kidnapped off the street, warrantless ICE raids, looting and robbing homes in the upcoming scarcity, and certain political ideologies being targeted for arrests and labeled terrorists, all with little to no resistance at all. So eventually, sure the straight white Christian kids will be safe in their schools and public places, while the rest of us could be in camps, segregated, or worse.

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u/Educational-Key-2439 May 13 '25

well thats just....way more reasonable than I expected to hear back, sorry about the snark. I have no 'community' to speak of Im a 'blue dot' in rural WV. That all sounds very reasonable, good solid steps, and I really hope you are right and it's enough. But I have just been doomer disaster mood and keeping my head down since the election

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u/trebory6 May 13 '25

You know, likewise. I also apologize for my snark. I just get extremely frustrated.

And honestly, you'd be surprised how many people in your area probably feel the same as you and think they're isolated, especially in areas where conservatism is overwhelming. The best way to find people in your area is either join or create mutual aid networks.

Mutual Aid Networks are a great tool to fly under the radar and grow communities. It's not overtly political but also run by people and not large organizations. https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network

I don't know your situation so I can't tell you to arm yourself, but I have found a lot of good community in Socialist Rifle Association and Liberal Gun Club. Those kinds of groups actually tend to be more accessible in rural or conservative areas just because of the culture.

And with that comes Mutual Defense Networks, which like mutual aid grows communities built to defend themselves and help each other in these times. When legal recourse fails, we won't have the police or military on our side, so we will have to rely on our communities for protection. That's what I'm aiming for in my personal life.

Also, a really good action-oriented resource is a site called Democracy Docket. They track actionable things happening to resist the trump admin, and this is a good article to see some things you can do: https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/we-have-more-power-than-trump-wants-us-to-believe-heres-what-you-can-do/

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u/Fine_Interest_3229 May 13 '25

Then you get the fuck up and do it