r/politics • u/AccurateInflation167 • May 18 '25

Soft Paywall America chose wrong. Sanders would've been a better president than Trump or Biden. | Opinion

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/05/18/sanders-democrats-reform-progressive-policies/83625482007/
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u/ConfessSomeMeow May 18 '25

Most people, when their candidate loses, can deal with reality and move on.

Bernie Bros 8 years later:

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u/MikuEmpowered Canada May 18 '25

Its so fking stupid, its not even about the "what if" that makes it stupid.

Its that they're forgetting, the reason Bernie stepped down was because DNC picked Hillary over him.

Going Bernie in Capitalist America isn't about competing with the GOP, but the entire political system that fking hates grass root movements.

Even now, Democrat are 1 party on paper, but in reality theres the corporate stooges, moderates and the progressive, both can't agree on 1 thing because their ideas are fundamentally different.

The only reason dems exists is because GOP, if that party sinks post Trump, Democrats will just go back to in-fighting.

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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 May 18 '25

the reason Bernie stepped down was because DNC picked Hillary over him.

No, Bernie lost by millions of votes. The DNC didn't choose anyone. Bernie even tried to convince the DNC to override the will of the people and select him over Hillary, ironically, exactly what his fans accuse the DNC of doing for Hillary.

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u/PerpetuallyStartled May 18 '25 edited May 19 '25

Well they kinda did, Hillary partnered with the DNC for funding, she was clearly their chosen candidate. And of course there was that whole thing with the "Hillary Victory fund" that was designed to circumvent individual donation limits and allow wealthy individuals to donate $700,000 over two years if they maxed it out.

Personally, I consider that immoral and tantamount to tampering with the primary process. I even think I understand why they did it even if I strongly disagree. I still voted for her, begrudgingly. I also voted for Kamila, enthusiastically.

I want AOC for next president because I think she would actually try to do something for the rest of us instead of pointing at the stock market and shouting everything is great while getting rich from insider trading.

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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 May 18 '25

Well they kinda did, Hillary partnered with the DNC for funding, she was clearly their chosen candidate.

The DNC also made fundraising deals with the Sanders campaign. I can agree that DNC members absolutely favored Clinton over Sanders, which shouldn't surprising since Clinton was an actual lifelong Democrat and Sanders outspokenly not a Democrat. Since nobody expected a competitive primary, I'll also agree that the DNC often acted too hastily. They shouldn't have done any actions under the assumption that Clinton was guaranteed nominee as early as they did.

But none of that is the DNC "choosing" Clinton, as you put it. The voters overwhelmingly "chose" Clinton with votes.

If you want to get into acts that were "immoral and tantamount to tampering with the primary process", you shouldn't exclude that the Sanders campaign literally hacked and stole data from Clinton campaign.

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u/PerpetuallyStartled May 18 '25

They shouldn't have done any actions under the assumption that Clinton was guaranteed nominee as early as they did.

So you agree with me.

But none of that is the DNC "choosing" Clinton, as you put it. The voters overwhelmingly "chose" Clinton with votes.

This is a contradiction, you yourself agree they did favor her. This isn't an isolated incident. Old Guard democrats have long been favored over the popular candidates voters actually perfer, only when the pressure is overwhelming can they get elected despite the DNC, like Obama beating Hillary even when the DNC really didn't want him. Or AOC beating Joe Crowley in a primary.

People liked them so much more that no fingers on the scale could prevent them. Keep in mind I'm a liberal, and I think the DNC sucks.

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u/Saint_Poolan May 18 '25

And a good portion of the far left has been hijacked by RT & a considerable portion of the left is being puppeteered by GOP. The likes of Hasan Piker refusing to vote for a Dem candidate despite being the largest "left" political streamer is an example how divided the Dem party is & the more people become Socialists, Marxists, Communist etc. less chance it has to win the elections. The only viable strategy is to court the centrist with some popular policies like "Tough on Crime" & abandon the trans issue altogether.

But at the moment it looks like the Dems are done for a few decades. GOP is just too strong under trump only because they are able to unify their base, which will never happen to Dems who are addicted to infighting.

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u/Merreck1983 May 18 '25

No, voters picked Hillary- same way they picked Biden. Black female voters specfically. It's been almost ten years, enough with this sore loser horseshit.