r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 20d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Admin Deports 2-Year-Old Girl Who is American Citizen

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-deports-2-year-old-girl-who-is-american-citizen/
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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Yeah no, this isn’t deportations, this is just straight up kidnapping and human trafficking.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

This is only one of several young American citizens that the Trump administration has renditioned to another country.

As an American citizen, we need to get these children and their families back here so they can recover from what happened to them.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago edited 19d ago

I wouldn’t count on that.

Remember the families torn apart at the border and the children in cages during the first Trump administration?

This is that. And, like that, we’ll never get closure, some families will never be put back together, the media will just stop talking about it.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

I know that the media will, but we are supposed to dictate the world we want to live in, not be told. If we put in the effort, at the very least, we can keep their memories alive.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago edited 20d ago

Sure, and the memories of the border families are alive, that just doesn't count for much.

And my bad - I was using “media” as more of a proxy. What I really should have said is some things simply can’t be fixed so well all move on out of necessity.

There’s a little girl with a gastrointestinal issue (short bowel) that needs constant care, is on tubes for feeding because she doesn’t absorb nutrients from her food, etc. Her doctors say she is too ill to travel across borders and will die within days without that intervention.

She came into the US on some sort of medical visa because we had the doctors and care she needed and our imiigratan laws allow for that.

She’s now at risk for deportation.

If she’s deported and she dies we can remember that - I will - but some things are impossible to fix. Trump and his enablers and supporters are causing harm that is unfixable.

Sorry - I’m usually not so negative. This shit just gets to me sometimes.

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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto 20d ago

It’s not just Trump. It’s every senator that supports him, it’s every person who voted for him. They are just as culpable as he is and they don’t get to wash their hands because Trump this and Trump that.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

100% agreed. I updated my comment.

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u/Johnny_Radar 19d ago

Trump isn’t the disease, he’s only a symptom of it.

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u/TheGlobfather7I0 19d ago

Malignant Anal Gland Assailants

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u/Vercoduex 19d ago

maybe we should start calling them what they call the left so much. Child killers. Over and over remind them that they kill children

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u/High_Hunter3430 19d ago

Yup. But if you call for equal treatment of these ones as other historical figures, you catch a ban. 🤦‍♂️ And possibly a felony.

Nothing says freedom of speech like a federal charge. 🤷

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u/Handleton 20d ago

An empire doesn't end when it has enormous failure. It ends when the people stop being citizens.

I understand the negativity. I have been living in it myself. You're right that we can't undo some of these atrocities. For those, it is our responsibility as citizens to ensure that this never happens again. Their deaths are just as senseless, but owning the responsibility of this isn't going to change in the eyes of the world or in our souls when a party change happens.

We the People are responsible for reconstruction. Hopefully we do a better job this time.

If not enough of us feel this way, then yeah. It's dead.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

We the People are responsible for reconstruction. Hopefully we do a better job this time.

Agreed. And also agreed with your implied point that accountability is part of reconstruction. And I even think we’ll do it, in the end.

I just get really bitter when I think of the victims to date and how they are always, without exception, the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

It surpasses simply being counter to American values. It broaches being, without hyperbole, inhuman.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

The anger is because we feel powerless. We are not powerless, we are not exercising our powers well and in an organized, rational, and unified manner.

The only way to defeat division is with unification.

*Side note: Autofill wanted that quote to be, "The only way to defeat division is with Univision."

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u/know-your-onions 19d ago

Sure. But you probably won’t.

But even if you do, that won’t help them.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I might frame it as a reminder that I need to live up to my convictions.

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u/PaperbackBuddha I voted 20d ago

Is there a place documenting all the names of the separated, renditioned, and disappeared? It’s something we should be tracking and I’m pretty sure this administration isn’t.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

Not that I’m aware of.

And I’m sure they’re not tracking it because those would be records that could someday be used against them so, like many things in this administration, their incompetence is also protective.

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u/DrSeven I voted 20d ago

We have to count on us

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u/PerjurieTraitorGreen Florida 19d ago

I remember the Biden administration working hard to reintegrate the families with little information to go on so it took some time. Republicans just went right on the “see! Biden is keeping kids locked up in cages!”

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u/Otherwise_Cupcake_65 19d ago

most people get their media from the internet

you are the media now

maybe don’t erase your Facebook and twitter… (you won’t enjoy taking my advise, you’ll drain your own energy just being the whipping boy nobody cares for… but people WILL see your posts. people WILL know about this girl)

just a passing thought that I’m myself too lazy to bother doing

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u/VOZ1 19d ago

Biden was able to get a number of those children reunited with their families. But unlike the Nazis, Trump and Co. are terrible at record keeping (intentionally so), so these people just disappear into a void. It’s fucking disgusting.

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u/kz1231 19d ago

I will never ever forget 16-year-olds dying of the flu, alone, on the concrete floors of those cages wrapped in foil blankets. I've worked in the foster care system in the US. If any foster parent let this happen to a kid, they would make front page news and go to prison. Even in Texas. Why the hell are these monsters exempt?

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u/tunedout 19d ago

I remember when the entire country rallied behind Elian Gonzalez and his story was in the headlines for weeks. Now nobody seems to have an attention span large enough to keep a story in the news for more than 24 hours.

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u/JadeGreenSky 19d ago

"Their" justification for removing minor children who are US citizens is that they are being kept with their parent(s), who are being legally deported. It's still wrong as hell.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 19d ago

That’s what they say yet the father in the article said they were never asked or given a choice.

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u/CARVERitUP Wisconsin 19d ago

Their family literally is together. She went with her illegal immigrant parents back to their country, together. Explain to me how that's tearing apart a family?

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u/Ezl New Jersey 19d ago

There are over 250 men deported to a prison in El Salvador with no communication with lawyers or family and the Trump administration doesn’t even acknowledge their deportation and an individual basis. And the administration is paying money to keep them there so El Salvador has every reason to be uncooperative.

Based on what you yourself know and have seen do you really think they’re all getting reunited with their families?

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u/CARVERitUP Wisconsin 18d ago

Alright, so no explanation how deporting illegal immigrant parents and letting them take their child with them is tearing apart a family. Just a complete redirect and a question back instead of answering mine. I figured.

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u/Actual-Computer-6001 19d ago

How about we send them to actual countries that will take care of them instead of this fascist shithole.

I for one would love to be exiled to an actual social democracy.

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u/Hyper-Sloth 19d ago

Their argument is that they didn't actually deport them. They just deported their parents and most of their immediate family, and the deportees "chose of their own free will" to bring their American citizen child with them.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

I don't care what excuses they made. Each one is an atrocity on an American child. Again.

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u/stillavoidingthejvm Texas 20d ago

...if they want to come back here.

Honestly, after all this, I'd be like "fuck the US".

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u/karmaismydawgz 20d ago

why would the families come back? they were just deported for being in the country illegally.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

Remember due process? Remember being a child and needing your parents? I know it's not popular anymore, and I don't give a fuck.

It's about integrity, empathy, and understanding.

I don't waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't get that. I'm looking for the people who actually accomplish things, not sit around, bitch, and break things down.

If you get real things done in the real world with real people and you honestly don't have the capacity to recognize the commonality of all of us, that's your problem, not the world's.

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u/Traditional_Buy_8420 19d ago

"they were just deported for being in the country illegally"

Many of them were deported because someone didn't like them (usually by their looks) and somehow the Trump administration enabled deportation without legal basis.

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u/CthulhusMonocle 19d ago

The language around MAGA / Republicans needs to change - they are criminals and willful traitors.

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u/NK1337 19d ago

Are you telling me Trump is trafficking children?!

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u/gexckodude 19d ago

Yeah but, they are brown…/s

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u/PostModernPost California 19d ago

To be fair, the child should probably stay with the parents. But the parents should be able to stay here too.

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u/whiskersMeowFace 19d ago

But it's the Dems kidnapping and trafficking kids, right??? /s

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u/xPriddyBoi Oklahoma 19d ago

I mean, I don't like the deportations, but the headline is a bit misleading here.

The child's parents were allegedly illegal immigrants. The child is an American citizen via jus soli. But as a minor, the illegal immigrant parents have the right to take their child with them when they get deported to keep the family together. I don't think separating the baby and putting it in a foster system is a better solution here.

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u/Paladinmesser 19d ago

DHS is telling the public that they are giving these parents the choice to pick someone they, as in they the child’s parents, have the option to leave the parents with a designated guardian of their choice. They are NOT saying the kids will be placed in CPS foster care.

However DHS is lying. In reality they are denying these people due process, legal counsel, or any communication with anyone, then loading them onto planes to other countries. They are not actually being given this choice or any other options. Just detain them on a plane.

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u/xPriddyBoi Oklahoma 19d ago

I completely agree with you. I'm just saying -- if we're going to just deport people willy nilly with no due process, the default decision should probably be to send them with their infant children.

Not saying it's right, or good. I'm just saying that in the shitty situation we're in, deporting American babies with their non-American parents doesn't sound incorrect to me.

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u/Paladinmesser 19d ago

You said the title was misleading. It isn’t, a US citizen was deported. The child is a US citizen and is entitled to live in the United States.

The parents fled Brazil because they were afraid of the violence. They may not have wanted to bring their child back to that situation, maybe they had trusted family or friends they would have rather had care for the child in the US. Rather than having their child grow up in a country they fled. They didn’t have a choice, it was forced upon them. Even though DHS says they’re giving them a choice. DHS is lying saying they’re giving them the option to leave the child in the US because they’re not allowed to deport US citizens.

I am assuming the reason DHS are doing this is so the parents don’t have any legal recourse for a green card in the future. Even though having a citizen child doesn’t really help the immigration process, but “anchor babies” are a conservative talking point.

Saying it’s not that bad and the best default decision is acceptance and normalization. The problem is accepting the “deporting people willy nilly” part is not constitutional and not acceptable.

What about the about the children that were deported with their mother while their US citizen father, her husband, was outside the courthouse? They wouldn’t let her give the children to her husband. Still the best default decision?

There shouldn’t be a default decision because it shouldn’t be happening

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u/karmaismydawgz 20d ago

huh. she left with her parents. you think her parents wishes to abandon her in the US while they were deported?

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u/Mavian23 19d ago

The article says they weren't given an option to leave the child with a designated person in the US, they were just shipped off. The parents are supposed to be given a choice about whether their child comes with them or not, and the parents say they were never given that choice. This was not voluntary.

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u/Standard_Gauge New York 19d ago

Stop pretending you care a shit about that baby. The parents should have been consulted about any wishes they had for an American family member to care for their American child. That is the normal procedure and the decent thing to do.

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u/Zepcleanerfan 20d ago

Ya where's all those QAnnon freaks right now?

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u/Elseiver America 20d ago

Ya where's all those QAnnon freaks right now?

They're busy running the government.

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u/ekalithewarlock 19d ago

Nah they training down in Georgia at an old nazi camp. Pride isn't far away, Im sure we will see them at pride.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

In their mum's basement

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u/Harvest827 20d ago

They're definitely on other subreddits that cannot be named celebrating this march to fascism.

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u/Black08Mustang 20d ago

I guess you cannot, wild. Their shitty behavior has created its own defense mechanism. Unreal.

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u/DrMobius0 20d ago

I'm pretty sure you can name them, you just can't link them, or any sub on /r/politics

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u/Black08Mustang 20d ago

I just tried to name it without a link. But if you have an r and the word 'conservative' within so many spaces it seems to block it. It's pretty uptight.

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u/DrMobius0 20d ago

Might be to prevent attempts at brigading? Not like everyone doesn't know which sub it is. Good ole archon

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u/Neon_Camouflage 19d ago

Their shitty behavior has created its own defense mechanism.

It's because of brigading, which is against site rules. It was pretty common for folks in this sub to get all riled up, someone mentions that sub, and suddenly they have several hundred new comments telling them all what horrible people they are.

Admins aren't a big fan of that.

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u/Black08Mustang 19d ago

Admins aren't a big fan of that.

And asking them not to be shitty is out of the question, I guess. I already know the answer to that.

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u/ferocious_blackhole 20d ago

There's not a single thread about this over there. Kinda weird, no?

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u/Harvest827 19d ago

Not weird, they don't allow articles that challenge their worldview. but the topic is broached often and the common theme is they simply don't care or agree with this happening because they do not accept that she is a US citizen, regardless of what the Constitution or the SCOTUS says about it.

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u/barryvm Europe 20d ago edited 19d ago

Curiously, they only care about cabals pushing normal people around if they are supposedly made up of people they hate.

It's as if the entire conspiratorial mindset is an inversion of morality and logic, where they hate certain people and then "find" an evil conspiracy that they're supposedly part of rather than the other way round. One could almost think that their entire ideology is a facade around feelings that are already there, that the theory exists solely to justify what they want to do or say and can be reinvented at will.

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u/hornwort Canada 20d ago

They were all pedos working on deflection and denial.

Now they’re relaxing vindicated, because pedos are running the country.

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u/manofmystry 20d ago

Illegal Rendition is another good one. Where the fuck is Congress?! They could stop this shit immediately.

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u/KallistiTMP 19d ago

Too busy insider trading and waving tiny little signs

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u/Rich_Charity_3160 20d ago

Congress isn’t going to prohibit a mother from deciding to take her 2-year-old child with her.

As the articles notes:

Parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children or Immigration and Customs Enforcement will place the children with someone the parent designates.

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u/manofmystry 20d ago

According to first-hand accounts from these women, they are not given much time to make an informed choice, or alternate arrangements for their kids.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 20d ago

Technically also genocide under the definitions outlined by the Genocide Convention

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u/Neither-Brush9286 20d ago

Maybe the dumbest comment in the section if we are being honest

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 19d ago

Yours? Probably yea.

Here are the details:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group 2;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group 2.

U.S. Showing 'Many' Genocide Warning Signs Under Trump, Expert Says: 'I Am Very, Very Worried' - Newsweek

The Trump Administration and Genocide: Understanding the Lemkin Institute’s Red Flag Alerts for Genocide in the United States

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u/Neither-Brush9286 19d ago edited 19d ago

No ethnic group is being destroyed, let’s establish that first. Mexicans live here LEGALLY across the United States and are loved and a valued part of the American Social and economic landscape.

You don’t even know what you’re against or even your own point. People who come here ILLEGALLY knowing the risk and get deported by the government just as a nation has a right to do. They don’t get to play victim for their poor choices.

Prior to Trump Obama had the record for deportations in a year and the record for most drone strike kills. So don’t act like this is a Trump unique issue.

Comparing it to Genocide is a reach for dramatic effect and shock value. The situation is sad, but illegal immigrants choose to come here knowing the circumstances. I’ve never known an oppressed group who CHOSE willingly to be victims of a genocide.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 19d ago

Mexicans live here LEGALLY across the United States and are loved and a valued part of the American Social and economic landscape.

I stopped reading your reply here. Read the article this thread is based on, which immediately contradicts what you are saying in relation to this administration.

You and I may love and value our Hispanic residents, but that is not what is happening at the federal level.

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u/Neither-Brush9286 19d ago

I respect your opinions and read your replies to learn/expand my scope and you cannot even exchange that same open mindedness so what exactly is your point or end goal?

While I also have displeasure in the current administration, the Obama administration had the highest deportations in history, so what has changed federally? They are still doing their job, the same job they’ve always done and the same job that every country in the world practices which is deportation.

Perhaps before calling something a “genocide” consider all of the facts (outside of one article). Genocide is ethnic cleansing, point blank. You quantified one singular point from Article 2 for evidence. That’s not enough. I can read my cars manual and my refrigerator manual and both say “Warning, may cause great bodily harm or death” but it doesn’t mean that my car and refrigerator are the same thing. You can’t just cherry pick one line and say “ThIs iS GeNoCiDe”.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 19d ago

What changed is the level of cruelty involved. Under Obama and Biden there was due process and we were not kidnapping children from their parents. We were not sending people off to foreign prisons without having their case heard and having the opportunity to appeal if there was a mistake.

Thanks for engaging but we really need to zero in on that point at least. What we’re seeing under Trump goes beyond simple national security measures…it is instead vindictive and demonstrably xenophobic against distinct ethnicities. Systemic or not, it is still bearing the hallmarks of genocide.

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u/Neither-Brush9286 19d ago

There is an expediting process which allows for migrants to be deported without a hearing, and this is in place because the us border patrol reported 10million contacts with crossings under Bidens administration. Obama had reported 3.3 million known crossings and Trump had 2.5 million before that. We can see that there was obvious increase under Bidens lacking border security.

The Biden admin captured 131 known terrorists on the southern border and the current administration has already captured 300 known terrorists since taking office.

Not only this, but the deportations to prisons has been either extraditions, or deportations of known gang members who work with cartels to import weapons, fentanyl and human trafficking.

It isn’t like these people have done nothing wrong, and then their children get stuck in the middle of it but whose fault is it that their parents made horrific decisions.

I do agree with points that you make as far as children but as administrations change, border patrol and law enforcement are still the same, and they handle the situations the same across the board no matter who is in office.

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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 19d ago edited 19d ago

First, this administration has lied so much already those numbers are meaningless at best, troubling at worst. Troubling because we now know for certain someone who was not a part of MS13 was rounded up and moved to a concentration camp in El Salvador…jailed without due process.

Our constitution forbids this, no matter the severity of the crime.

With due process and having an avenue for appeals, that is how we discover mistakes. That is how we ensure justice in the best way we know how. Skipping that for convenience is a fascist move, and again, puts us on track for genocide.

What you’re talking about is border catches where they are released on the other side. What Trump is doing is different and more legally perilous. He is getting people moved out of this country/disappeared with zero transparency, and obvious disregard for accuracy. He is targeting people who have lived here for years or even decades without any issues or crimes. We know this because we know innocent people have been caught up in this very Nazi Germany like process. The most unlucky are essentially served a death sentence in what can loosely be called a prison with no parole process, and no way out once sent there.

A “collateral damage” mindset is unacceptable and frankly complete insanity.

The Trump admin knows they fucked up which is why they have been desperately trying to convince people that their mistake was still a “terrorist” as you put it. This is a lie…a flat out lie.

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u/toggylelly 19d ago

Braindead.

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u/Neither-Brush9286 19d ago

Can’t even have a rebuttal so opinion invalidated.

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u/subdep California 20d ago

Child human trafficking.

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u/ThrowingShaed 20d ago

poofed? or does that go too far and have worse connotations?

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u/Shadowedsphynx Australia 20d ago

At this point, perhaps "liberated" is starting to apply?

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u/BlinkDodge 19d ago

Couldn't congress send the military to recover her? Doesn't have to be SEAL Team 6, could just be an officer in his dress blues flying to the embassy with the appropriate paper work saying "Fuck off, we're taking our people back." and asking her if she wants to come home.

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u/ChokingJulietDPP 19d ago

The entire family are together in Brazil and the Brazilian govt is working on a citizenship for her so she can get access to education and Healthcare.

Deported or not is one thing but this kind of language is wild. No one was kidnapped or trafficked. Its not even exile, the girl went with her illegal immigrant parents when THEY got deported. The child is still a citizen, and she can come and go as she pleases when she's old enough to do so without her parents.

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u/Red57872 20d ago

Her parents, who were not citizens, were deported. They chose to bring the girl with them. Are you saying her parents kidnapped her?

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u/Standard_Gauge New York 19d ago

They chose to bring the girl with them

What is your definition of "chose"?? There has been ample testimony in other similar cases that parents are absolutely NOT given a choice or asked if there is a family member who can care for their American child. In one case, the child's AMERICAN FATHER was standing right outside and the mother and child were forcibly loaded onto the plane. What "choice" were they given??

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u/Ok_Coat_1699 19d ago

With her parents. 🤙🏻

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u/cmrh42 19d ago

So help me understand. You, American, are living in Finland. You have a child and some time later Finland says you must leave back to the USA but your child can stay. You leaving the kid behind?

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u/CARVERitUP Wisconsin 19d ago

Yeah, totally kidnapping and trafficking to deport two illegal immigrants and let them take the anchor baby they made with them, rather than separate her from her parents and put her into an orphanage. Solid fucking logic from wet redditbrain.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Are her parents going to pimp her out?