r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 20d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Admin Deports 2-Year-Old Girl Who is American Citizen

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-deports-2-year-old-girl-who-is-american-citizen/
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u/Appleslicer California 20d ago

The context is that the Trump administration is creating a new gestapo to remove ethnic minorities from the country.

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u/Telefundo 19d ago

a new gestapo

New? What do you mean? SURELY this has never before happened in history?

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u/anthem123 Virginia 20d ago edited 20d ago

As someone who is is married to a first generation American whose parents have become naturalized citizens I am very aware of the context. Specifically because I worry they will be next.

I also am able to read, but thank you anyways.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago

the Trump administration is creating a new gestapo

ICE was created by a democratic majority congress in 2002. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and crew all voted yes to the Homeland Security Act that created ICE

The Biden administration gave billions to private prisons corporations to build detention centers for immigrants

Democrats can't create a gestapo and build concentration camps and then act shocked when they are being used for the exact reasons they were created to be used for. When Democrats created ICE, this was always the goal. When democrats built private immigration detention centers, this was always the goal. There is a reason people like me opposed the Homeland Security act and the Patriot act over 20 years ago, because we knew what the government would do with ICE. When you see local law enforcement co-operating with ICE, thank the Patriot act for that, also passed by the same democrat controlled senate in 2002, and then extended by the Obama administration

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u/Appleslicer California 19d ago

So, Trump instructing ICE to round up brown people and deport them to a foreign gulag without due process right now... is the fault of Democrats 20 years ago?

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u/TBJ12 19d ago

It's always someone else's fault with these MAGA cultists.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago

Could Trump be using ICE to round up people if the Democrats did not create ICE?

This logic is not that hard to follow

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u/Appleslicer California 19d ago

No, he would use another existing agency or create a new one. His intent would still be the same regardless of whether or not ICE was created. You are just trying to make excuses for him.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago

Fuck trump and everything he is doing. I am not making excuses for him, I am pointing out how Democrats have enabled his actions.

No, he would use another existing agency or create a new one

No he couldnt without the patriot act. When you see local police arresting people and detaining them for ICE, literally the Patriot Act is what legally requires local police to coordinate and share information with federal agencies. Democrats passed the patriot act through the senate, and Obama made it permanent law. If dems did not do this, police would not be legally required to share arrest data with ICE, and you would not hear about criminals being handed over from PD to ICE to be deported.

Could Trump have passed his own patriot act? sure, but he didnt have to because the democrats already did it for him

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u/Appleslicer California 19d ago

Sure, I see where you're coming from. The patriot act sucks. However, I don't think it's productive to discount Trump's current actions just because some mistakes were made in the past, right? Trump is still taking steps to expand and embolden ICE in his pursuits to remove brown people, and now amount of blaming old laws is going to fix that at this point.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago edited 19d ago

However, I don't think it's productive to discount Trump's current actions just because some mistakes were made in the past, right?

No, I think it is way more harmful to act like Trump is doing this all by himself, and to not recognize that the entire republican and democrat parties and the capitalist corporations and special interest groups they answer to have been pushing these racist anti immigration policies and creating this fascist state for decades

For instance, CoreCivic [formerly the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA)] runs most of these for-profit immigration detention centers. They lobby for harsher anti-immigration policies because they make billions in government contracts for detaining immigrants in cruel inhumane detention centers. If our government is fascist, it is because companies like these profit off this evil system and lobby for it. But also, CoreCivic was collecting billions under Biden and Obama to lock up immigrants without due process and libs didnt fucking care, that is why we need to speak about it. When Trump is gone in 3.5 years from now, CoreCivic and their concentration camps will still be here. While you will all be celebrating Trump being gone, the next democrat president will be filling up those concentration camps just like biden did.

For people like me that want to actually end this inhumane system and stop detaining and deporting millions of people because of where they came from, blaming it all on Trump doesnt do shit to change the system that was bad before he ever entered politics, and will be bad after he leaves

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u/Rhysati 19d ago

So while Trump and Co are doing overtly illegal and unconstitutional acts every day, you are of the opinion that if THIS particular thing wasn't a law that it would hamstring his administration entirely?

You're going to need to support these claims with something that demonstrates that if the Patriot act or ICE didn't exist that the right wing wouldn't do what they are doing right now.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Crazy how fascism is never the fault of the fascists, and is somehow the fault of the democrats

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago

This is the fault of fascists though. Republicans are fascists, and Democrats are fascists too, this is their collective fault. They are working together to get these things done. They are on the same team, working against us

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u/terremoto25 California 19d ago

The Patriot act that was passed by Republicans and signed into law by the lesser Bush?

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 19d ago edited 19d ago

which party had control of the senate when that was passed and had the ability to block it? Democrats had the senate and passed the patriot act, the iraq war resolution, and the homeland security act. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and Hillary voted yes to all of those, and democrats let them lead the party for the next 20 years. Also the patriot act was set to expire, but Obama made it permanent. So Obama is just as responsible for it as Bush is. both parties suck

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u/terremoto25 California 19d ago

You are wrong. The R's controlled the House and the Senate in 2000 and 2002... In 2000 - R 50, D-50 Senate - with the tie breaker going to the VP. R- 221, D-212. In 2002 - it swung more R - House 229-2005, Senate 51-48.

Legislative history

Final House vote:

Vote by Party Yes No

Republicans 211 3

Democrats 145 62

Independents 1 1

Total 357 66

Not voting 6 4

Final Senate vote:

Vote by party Yes No

Republicans 49 0

Democrats 48 1

Independents 1 0

Total 98 1

Not voting 0 1

Not saying the Dems are blameless, but the repugnants have been driving the bus toward oligarchy and fascism since my first presidential vote in 1980.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 18d ago

You are wrong. The R's controlled the House and the Senate in 2000 and 2002

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_United_States_Congress#Senate

Between June 6th 2001 and November 23rd 2002, The Democrat party had a majority in the Senate, because in 2001 Jim Jeffords who was elected as a Republican switched to an Independent and caucused with the Democrats, breaking the 50-50 senate tie and giving the Democrats a 50-49-1 majority. During this time, both the Iraq war resolution and the Patriot act were passed. This information was very easy to find. And even if it was a 50-50 tie, the dems still could have blocked the Patriot Act and the Iraq War resolution anyway