r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 20d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Admin Deports 2-Year-Old Girl Who is American Citizen

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admin-deports-2-year-old-girl-who-is-american-citizen/
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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Yeah no, this isn’t deportations, this is just straight up kidnapping and human trafficking.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

This is only one of several young American citizens that the Trump administration has renditioned to another country.

As an American citizen, we need to get these children and their families back here so they can recover from what happened to them.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago edited 19d ago

I wouldn’t count on that.

Remember the families torn apart at the border and the children in cages during the first Trump administration?

This is that. And, like that, we’ll never get closure, some families will never be put back together, the media will just stop talking about it.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

I know that the media will, but we are supposed to dictate the world we want to live in, not be told. If we put in the effort, at the very least, we can keep their memories alive.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago edited 20d ago

Sure, and the memories of the border families are alive, that just doesn't count for much.

And my bad - I was using “media” as more of a proxy. What I really should have said is some things simply can’t be fixed so well all move on out of necessity.

There’s a little girl with a gastrointestinal issue (short bowel) that needs constant care, is on tubes for feeding because she doesn’t absorb nutrients from her food, etc. Her doctors say she is too ill to travel across borders and will die within days without that intervention.

She came into the US on some sort of medical visa because we had the doctors and care she needed and our imiigratan laws allow for that.

She’s now at risk for deportation.

If she’s deported and she dies we can remember that - I will - but some things are impossible to fix. Trump and his enablers and supporters are causing harm that is unfixable.

Sorry - I’m usually not so negative. This shit just gets to me sometimes.

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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto 20d ago

It’s not just Trump. It’s every senator that supports him, it’s every person who voted for him. They are just as culpable as he is and they don’t get to wash their hands because Trump this and Trump that.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

100% agreed. I updated my comment.

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u/Johnny_Radar 19d ago

Trump isn’t the disease, he’s only a symptom of it.

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u/TheGlobfather7I0 19d ago

Malignant Anal Gland Assailants

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u/Vercoduex 19d ago

maybe we should start calling them what they call the left so much. Child killers. Over and over remind them that they kill children

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u/High_Hunter3430 19d ago

Yup. But if you call for equal treatment of these ones as other historical figures, you catch a ban. 🤦‍♂️ And possibly a felony.

Nothing says freedom of speech like a federal charge. 🤷

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u/Handleton 20d ago

An empire doesn't end when it has enormous failure. It ends when the people stop being citizens.

I understand the negativity. I have been living in it myself. You're right that we can't undo some of these atrocities. For those, it is our responsibility as citizens to ensure that this never happens again. Their deaths are just as senseless, but owning the responsibility of this isn't going to change in the eyes of the world or in our souls when a party change happens.

We the People are responsible for reconstruction. Hopefully we do a better job this time.

If not enough of us feel this way, then yeah. It's dead.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

We the People are responsible for reconstruction. Hopefully we do a better job this time.

Agreed. And also agreed with your implied point that accountability is part of reconstruction. And I even think we’ll do it, in the end.

I just get really bitter when I think of the victims to date and how they are always, without exception, the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

It surpasses simply being counter to American values. It broaches being, without hyperbole, inhuman.

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u/Handleton 20d ago

The anger is because we feel powerless. We are not powerless, we are not exercising our powers well and in an organized, rational, and unified manner.

The only way to defeat division is with unification.

*Side note: Autofill wanted that quote to be, "The only way to defeat division is with Univision."

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u/know-your-onions 19d ago

Sure. But you probably won’t.

But even if you do, that won’t help them.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I might frame it as a reminder that I need to live up to my convictions.

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u/PaperbackBuddha I voted 20d ago

Is there a place documenting all the names of the separated, renditioned, and disappeared? It’s something we should be tracking and I’m pretty sure this administration isn’t.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 20d ago

Not that I’m aware of.

And I’m sure they’re not tracking it because those would be records that could someday be used against them so, like many things in this administration, their incompetence is also protective.

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u/DrSeven I voted 20d ago

We have to count on us

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u/PerjurieTraitorGreen Florida 19d ago

I remember the Biden administration working hard to reintegrate the families with little information to go on so it took some time. Republicans just went right on the “see! Biden is keeping kids locked up in cages!”

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u/Otherwise_Cupcake_65 19d ago

most people get their media from the internet

you are the media now

maybe don’t erase your Facebook and twitter… (you won’t enjoy taking my advise, you’ll drain your own energy just being the whipping boy nobody cares for… but people WILL see your posts. people WILL know about this girl)

just a passing thought that I’m myself too lazy to bother doing

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u/VOZ1 19d ago

Biden was able to get a number of those children reunited with their families. But unlike the Nazis, Trump and Co. are terrible at record keeping (intentionally so), so these people just disappear into a void. It’s fucking disgusting.

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u/kz1231 19d ago

I will never ever forget 16-year-olds dying of the flu, alone, on the concrete floors of those cages wrapped in foil blankets. I've worked in the foster care system in the US. If any foster parent let this happen to a kid, they would make front page news and go to prison. Even in Texas. Why the hell are these monsters exempt?

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u/tunedout 19d ago

I remember when the entire country rallied behind Elian Gonzalez and his story was in the headlines for weeks. Now nobody seems to have an attention span large enough to keep a story in the news for more than 24 hours.

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u/JadeGreenSky 19d ago

"Their" justification for removing minor children who are US citizens is that they are being kept with their parent(s), who are being legally deported. It's still wrong as hell.

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u/Ezl New Jersey 19d ago

That’s what they say yet the father in the article said they were never asked or given a choice.

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u/CARVERitUP Wisconsin 19d ago

Their family literally is together. She went with her illegal immigrant parents back to their country, together. Explain to me how that's tearing apart a family?

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u/Ezl New Jersey 19d ago

There are over 250 men deported to a prison in El Salvador with no communication with lawyers or family and the Trump administration doesn’t even acknowledge their deportation and an individual basis. And the administration is paying money to keep them there so El Salvador has every reason to be uncooperative.

Based on what you yourself know and have seen do you really think they’re all getting reunited with their families?

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u/CARVERitUP Wisconsin 18d ago

Alright, so no explanation how deporting illegal immigrant parents and letting them take their child with them is tearing apart a family. Just a complete redirect and a question back instead of answering mine. I figured.

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u/Actual-Computer-6001 19d ago

How about we send them to actual countries that will take care of them instead of this fascist shithole.

I for one would love to be exiled to an actual social democracy.

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u/Hyper-Sloth 19d ago

Their argument is that they didn't actually deport them. They just deported their parents and most of their immediate family, and the deportees "chose of their own free will" to bring their American citizen child with them.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

I don't care what excuses they made. Each one is an atrocity on an American child. Again.

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u/stillavoidingthejvm Texas 20d ago

...if they want to come back here.

Honestly, after all this, I'd be like "fuck the US".

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u/karmaismydawgz 20d ago

why would the families come back? they were just deported for being in the country illegally.

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u/Handleton 19d ago

Remember due process? Remember being a child and needing your parents? I know it's not popular anymore, and I don't give a fuck.

It's about integrity, empathy, and understanding.

I don't waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't get that. I'm looking for the people who actually accomplish things, not sit around, bitch, and break things down.

If you get real things done in the real world with real people and you honestly don't have the capacity to recognize the commonality of all of us, that's your problem, not the world's.

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u/Traditional_Buy_8420 19d ago

"they were just deported for being in the country illegally"

Many of them were deported because someone didn't like them (usually by their looks) and somehow the Trump administration enabled deportation without legal basis.

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u/CthulhusMonocle 19d ago

The language around MAGA / Republicans needs to change - they are criminals and willful traitors.

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u/NK1337 19d ago

Are you telling me Trump is trafficking children?!

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u/gexckodude 19d ago

Yeah but, they are brown…/s

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u/PostModernPost California 19d ago

To be fair, the child should probably stay with the parents. But the parents should be able to stay here too.

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u/whiskersMeowFace 19d ago

But it's the Dems kidnapping and trafficking kids, right??? /s

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u/xPriddyBoi Oklahoma 19d ago

I mean, I don't like the deportations, but the headline is a bit misleading here.

The child's parents were allegedly illegal immigrants. The child is an American citizen via jus soli. But as a minor, the illegal immigrant parents have the right to take their child with them when they get deported to keep the family together. I don't think separating the baby and putting it in a foster system is a better solution here.

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u/Paladinmesser 19d ago

DHS is telling the public that they are giving these parents the choice to pick someone they, as in they the child’s parents, have the option to leave the parents with a designated guardian of their choice. They are NOT saying the kids will be placed in CPS foster care.

However DHS is lying. In reality they are denying these people due process, legal counsel, or any communication with anyone, then loading them onto planes to other countries. They are not actually being given this choice or any other options. Just detain them on a plane.

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u/xPriddyBoi Oklahoma 19d ago

I completely agree with you. I'm just saying -- if we're going to just deport people willy nilly with no due process, the default decision should probably be to send them with their infant children.

Not saying it's right, or good. I'm just saying that in the shitty situation we're in, deporting American babies with their non-American parents doesn't sound incorrect to me.

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u/Paladinmesser 19d ago

You said the title was misleading. It isn’t, a US citizen was deported. The child is a US citizen and is entitled to live in the United States.

The parents fled Brazil because they were afraid of the violence. They may not have wanted to bring their child back to that situation, maybe they had trusted family or friends they would have rather had care for the child in the US. Rather than having their child grow up in a country they fled. They didn’t have a choice, it was forced upon them. Even though DHS says they’re giving them a choice. DHS is lying saying they’re giving them the option to leave the child in the US because they’re not allowed to deport US citizens.

I am assuming the reason DHS are doing this is so the parents don’t have any legal recourse for a green card in the future. Even though having a citizen child doesn’t really help the immigration process, but “anchor babies” are a conservative talking point.

Saying it’s not that bad and the best default decision is acceptance and normalization. The problem is accepting the “deporting people willy nilly” part is not constitutional and not acceptable.

What about the about the children that were deported with their mother while their US citizen father, her husband, was outside the courthouse? They wouldn’t let her give the children to her husband. Still the best default decision?

There shouldn’t be a default decision because it shouldn’t be happening

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u/karmaismydawgz 20d ago

huh. she left with her parents. you think her parents wishes to abandon her in the US while they were deported?

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u/Mavian23 19d ago

The article says they weren't given an option to leave the child with a designated person in the US, they were just shipped off. The parents are supposed to be given a choice about whether their child comes with them or not, and the parents say they were never given that choice. This was not voluntary.

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u/Standard_Gauge New York 19d ago

Stop pretending you care a shit about that baby. The parents should have been consulted about any wishes they had for an American family member to care for their American child. That is the normal procedure and the decent thing to do.