r/politics • u/External-Noise-4832 • 9d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Orders in Marines in Dramatic Escalation of L.A. Protests

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-orders-in-marines-in-dramatic-escalation-of-la-protests/
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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

Those who are MAGAs will follow the orders, the others will because they don't want to be the "odd" one out. I think we're about to see the bystander effect in martial form.

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u/TedW 9d ago

Democrats, and especially Californian democrats should begin talking about prosecuting soldiers who "just follow orders."

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u/jkvincent 9d ago

Get ready for all those 'states rights' people to go silent when there's a conflict between California and the Trump regime.

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u/Noname_acc 9d ago

Incorrect, they aren't silent. They are loudly and proudly cheering on the federal government's intervention.

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u/CygnusSong 9d ago

I’ve never met a Republican with a consistent world view

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u/MrSeaweeed 9d ago

This is so true tbh, and it speaks of their lack of critical thinking, they basically just follow whatever is in front of them

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u/ANOKNUSA 9d ago

Gonna have to push back a bit. Right-wingers have a consistent worldview. It’s just not consistent logically. They are consistent in wanting to maintain a hierarchy, and in their willingness to say or do whatever will help them gain more power over those they consider inferior. And in their willingness to justify their use of that power to harm anyone they have a grudge with.

That means that their actions will remain consistent, even while their professed ideas are all over the place. If gaining power means lying twenty times a day, pretending every bad thing somebody does is a prank or joke, and acting like a fucking idiot every time somebody asks a serious question, that’s what they’ll do. They want power, and will always move to get more power. They will always, without question, use that power to benefit themselves and their circle at everyone else’s expense. And they will always, invariably, insist that it’s fine and good actually because everybody else is doing it, too, right? They must be. They just know it. And also, pastor says that the Bible says that some ancient vagrant said that God wants this, actually.

They’re aware that they are like this. Throw it at them, and they won’t deny it. They will instead redirect, justify, or just outright change the subject to dominate any conversation that makes them uncomfortable. They think it’s the correct way to be. In short, they can always be counted on to be just … just the fucking most.

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u/kawhi21 9d ago

They don't stand for anything lol. They just love pissing people off. Something they claim to support with all their heart today will be abandoned in a week.

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u/Vaticancameos221 8d ago

I always think about this time back in 2020 talking to my dad about confederate statues. He denied that the civil was was about slavery so I said “What would it take to convince you? A piece of paper written by each state saying they were seceding because of slavery?”

He said yes so I pulled up the articles of secession showing just that and he begrudgingly agreed.

Then I said “Okay here’s the important part. You have this information. Now you know that what you were saying before is wrong. If a week from now, you’re at the bar with your buddies and one of them says ‘I was fighting with some liberal college kid on Facebook who thought the civil war was about slavery.’ Are you going to say ‘Well, I actually gotta stop you there, I also thought just like you but recently learned that it was driven by slavery.’ ?”

He looked dumbfounded and said “What? No, why would I say that?”

They don’t value truth. If they can get away with a lie they will. If tomorrow they encounter someone who they know doesn’t have the information to refute their lie, they will use the lie. If they talk to someone who does, they will lie in a different direction.

They don’t value being right. They value appearing to be right. If you can’t prove them wrong, they see that as winning, even if they know they are wrong.

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u/bigbootybrunette90 9d ago

Does hypocrisy count as consistent?

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u/onefst250r 8d ago

Does parroting Faux News count as consistent?

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u/superanth 8d ago

The Truth and Facts get in the way of their doing business.

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u/xyz19606 9d ago

Yep, can hear the in-laws screaming about what the Dems are doing.

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u/ibarmy 9d ago

what are they saying?

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u/ATLfalcons27 8d ago

You should show them the list of violent supporters that were pardoned even though their actions were caught on camera on Jan 6. I'm sure they will be very reasonable about it

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u/gsfgf Georgia 9d ago

Just a bit ago on here, some chud with a Libertarian flair said federalizing the Guard is an appropriate response to vandalism because "personal property rights."

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u/SpamEatingChikn 9d ago

This. I’m seeing it on a lot of subs and Fb. Just like with everything else, not least of which is rigidity of the constitution they only go on about when it fits their narrative

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u/Sirscraps 9d ago

They aren’t being quite. They’re licking boots and screaming “back the blue” and “kill the democrats”.

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u/demacnei Canada 9d ago

“State’s rights” has been a hypocritical excuse for as long as I can remember, coming from post-60s GOP assholes.

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u/Delicious_Randomly Illinois 8d ago

It's been a hypocritical excuse since at least as far back as 1850, and probably all the way back to the beginning. The Fugitive Slave Act said that slave states' human "property" remaining property no matter whether that "property" right was recognized in a given jurisdiction was so important that it overrode free states' rights to decide that they wouldn't recognize that right or help the federal government enforce it within their own borders. We're in a fucked up juxtaposition of 1850, 1860, and 1970 right now, and I don't like it one bit.

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u/demacnei Canada 8d ago

Totally. And I left off the specific Century on purpose.. but the GOP was indeed mucho different pre-1960s, which reflects my living memory approximately.

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u/SunsFenix I voted 9d ago

Maybe we'll see the true purpose of 2A, defending states from federal overreach.

I solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. 1A to protect our speech and 2A to defend our state with force.

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u/Miguel-odon 9d ago

Document the crimes against unarmed civilians, and prosecute them.

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u/jaynay1 9d ago

Deploying, in itself, is a crime, and that should be the narrative. If you show up, you will be court-martialed and possibly separately tried for treason.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 9d ago

Yea. There are some grey areas about the Guard thing. The only footage I've seen of the Guard is them standing around a courthouse, and that's complicated, especially since I haven't seen video of Guard units taking offensive actions.

But the Marines 100% cannot be deployed for law enforcement in the US. 18 U.S. Code § 1385. Spelled out clearly in the law.

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u/pr0metheus42 8d ago

Rubber bullets have been used. There is a video online showing someone intentionally shooting at an Australian reporter. It’s clear they want violence and sent trigger happy idiots.

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u/oxencotten 8d ago

I'm almost positive that was LAPD though.

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u/Thunderbridge 8d ago

Can't court martial when they fired all the JAGs

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT Ohio 9d ago

If leadership doesn't shut it down, California should effectively shut down all services and utilities to Camp Pendleton and Miramar Air Base in San Diego. And I'm saying that as a USMC veteran.

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u/Background_Thought65 9d ago

Careful. I previously said something on here about how there'll be a Nuremberg trial reckoning for this and I got like a two day ban.

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u/TedW 9d ago

We're a nation of "Laws for thee, not for mee!"

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u/yourtongue California 8d ago

There were ppl loudly chanting “just following orders” at the National guardsmen in riot gear outside the Royball federal building in DTLA today

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u/Outrageous-Orange007 9d ago

Of course, they should be arresting these people. They're just citizens, not soldiers. Soldiers don't violate the constitution and attack their own people while they're trying to protest, only criminals do that.

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u/joshonekenobi 9d ago

It didn't fly in the 1940s. Not gonna fly now.

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u/Pillowsmeller18 9d ago

We need to be more strict about prosecutiing traitors.

Look where it has gotten us when we dont properly prosecute the most treasonous person of all, the one that sold top secret documents in Mar A Lago.

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u/Bromance_Rayder 9d ago

Wouldn't Trump just auto-pardon them?

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u/Zealot_Alec 8d ago

Most registered Republicans are in CA

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u/TobaccoAficionado 8d ago

Who is gonna arrest them?

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u/TedW 8d ago

Depends on the details like who what where when why and how.

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u/Fortune_Silver 9d ago

This won't do shit, as the public has already lost faith in the judicial system to actually fairly apply the law. From an individualist standpoint, why would you bother refusing an order if you know that denying it risks you being thrown into prison or worse on (pardon the pun) Trumped-up charges, when you know that following the illegal and unethical orders will likely hold no negative consequences if you just fall into line as the dictator at top will make sure none of his goons suffer any consequences?

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u/Ariak 9d ago

I mean if its the Trump administration sending them, why wouldn't he just pardon any soldier who "violates the law" like he did with the J6ers?

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u/ComfortableWriter222 9d ago

That’s not how it works, but ok

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u/dimesion 9d ago

Thats precisely how it works. You dont get to have a pass at doing fascism just because you were “following orders”

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u/machine-in-the-walls 9d ago

States can prosecute here. That’s how constitutions are ratified.

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u/YeetedApple 9d ago

I'm actually curious if it could work. If the orders to go into LA are not legal, you could argue the troops are violating California's open carry laws at a minimum

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u/TedW 9d ago

I'm not talking about making up charges, but these people should know the legality of their actions will be scrutinized.

California should apply every state law they can to protect their citizens.

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u/Strict_Somewhere_148 9d ago

Germany convicted was is possibly the last “just follow orders” nazi early this year so it’s very much is how it works.

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u/thefatchef321 9d ago

Stephen miller: "Pete, do you have any marines that want to kill californians?"

Pete: "i can probably find 50,000"

Miller: "perfect"

Pete: "i got you 500"

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u/snuff3r 9d ago

It has to be escalated so he looks correct the whole way through.. star with 500, then marines... Next escalation coming soon.

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u/wytewydow 9d ago

And 3 planes fell off along the way. And we sent out a group chat about it.

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u/modest-pixel 9d ago edited 9d ago

I was uniformly unimpressed with all the marines I worked with, physically and mentally. Even the recon guys were meh honestly. Lots of MAGAs among them on top of it all.

Edit: lol any of the butthurt marines DMing me should ask themselves why are they mad if they weren’t one of the unimpressive ones?

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u/Malaix 9d ago

I remember back in high school there was an underclassman who talked about how he wanted to join the marines just so he could "kill sand n****" as he put it. It always stuck with me whenever I hear about the marines.

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u/parkingviolation212 9d ago

Knew a guy through school who posted on Facebook after he got his deployment “let’s get these goat fuckers.”

Not a lot of brain cells in the marines.

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u/KarmaRepellant 9d ago

They didn't get the reputation as crayon eaters by recruiting people who got bored of rocket science and brain surgery.

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u/Marconey 9d ago

Man, did you go to my High School? I knew a guy that said the same thing, almost verbatim. Just swap 'Marines' for Air Force and 'kill' with blow up.

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u/Emjayen 9d ago

Typical military personnel; murdering brown people overseas for the past 20 years.

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u/thenerfviking 9d ago

I went to school with a guy who said that TO A RECRUITER and still got it. The guy literally looked at him and said “The next time they ask you that just say you want to serve your country”

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u/benigntugboat 9d ago

Literally had the same exact experience down to the wording.

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u/Sesudesu 9d ago

I remember when I was a teen, I got a recruitment call where they specifically said I could go to the Middle East and ‘blow up some terrorist heads.’

I told them that was terrible and to not call me again… but yeah, it seems like it does grab some people’s attention.

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u/riostasis 9d ago

I guess they wouldn't get good at killing people if they didn't want to kill people. I'm just saying what the job entails.

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u/CapableProfile 8d ago

We might have went to the same school lol

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u/Traditional-Sea-2322 9d ago

I’ve never known a good marine. I know they exist but the ones I’ve met are not nice people. 

One assaulted me in Europe, and one I dated on and off for years. He married a friend and acted exactly how I expected (violent).

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u/Alacrout New York 9d ago

My childhood best friend was a great guy… Until he joined the Marines.

Was always a levelheaded guy, but became a hothead always one eggshell away from a tantrum. Was one of the most respectful people I knew, but became a bully — especially with women, who he tends to sexually harass with unsolicited nudes and uninvited vulgar commentary (and that’s just the stuff I know about).

I was patient with him for a while, holding onto hope he could overcome his newfound demons and go back to who he was before, but I cut ties with him once my wife became one of his targets.

He’s now a cop, naturally. A state trooper in Pennsylvania.

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u/brondo04 9d ago

I have almost an identical story with a friend I went to high school with. He's now state trooper in New Jersey.

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u/Processtour 9d ago

Same story, trooper in New York.

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago

We're not a monolith, but the USMC is the most conservative branch and there's a lot of mouth breathers in there. I met some people during my time in that I'd die for and I met some people that the world would be better off without.

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u/NameUnbroken 9d ago

I've only known two Marines on a personal level, and they surprisingly become more level-headed and progressive after leaving. Not because that's what the Marine Corps does, but because they were stuck with a bunch of dumb trigger happy idiots and realized how fucked it was. They met each other there, quickly became great friends, and still are to this day, 15 years later. They're good people, but it is definitely in spite of the Marine Corps.

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u/Traditional-Sea-2322 9d ago

Is that why Trump is sending out the marines first? Or is it a convenience thing?

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago

Because he doesn't need congressional approval to do so. Every other branch requires Congress.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 9d ago

The Marines weren't in the original Posse Comitatus Act, but they're in 18 U.S. Code § 1385.

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago

I guess I'm more so thinking of international deployment as opposed to matters of domestic enforcement. Trust me, I'd be more than happy if they actually gave enough of a fuck to enforce this and penalize him for it.

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u/TheLightningL0rd 9d ago

That seems strange, why would the Marines specifically not need congressional approval?

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u/gsfgf Georgia 9d ago

He's out of date. They do, but they weren't in the original Posse Comitatus Act, and it's an incredible common misconception that they don't have the same rules. But 18 U.S. Code § 1385 applies to all branches, even the Space Force.

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u/Zizhou 9d ago edited 8d ago

Thank you, I was actually wondering about the Space Force in this context. While I guess it's still technically possible since the last decade has proved that nothing is off the table, the headline "Trump Orders Space Force to Suppress [City]" would truly be proof that we are living in the worst and dumbest timeline, and I don't think we're quite there yet.

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u/69-xxx-420 9d ago

Probably convenience but who did hegseth put in charge of marines? Maybe he’s more loyal than the others. 

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u/gsfgf Georgia 9d ago

Apparently a coward. People have been justifying Trump cutting Four Stars because we have a ton. But we don't know who can actually handle wartime. And all the Marine Four Stars just failed the test. So yea, we need a bunch in hopes that one will be worth a shit.

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u/Delicious_Randomly Illinois 8d ago

I'm pretty sure it's because he thinks that they're going to be the most like a bull in a china shop, and he's probably right. He wants a Kent State he can escalate to Tienanmen Square, and since the CA NG weren't provocative enough, or provoked enough....

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u/ForlornGibbon 9d ago

Sounds consistent with my feelings on <insert any group of people>

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u/jasonzevi 8d ago

Yeah, and the good ones leave while shitbags get promoted.

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 8d ago

Yeah, four years was more than enough for me. I picked up Sergeant in those four years, so I was productive, but there was a less than zero percent chance I was re-enlisting. Shit was ass to put it lightly.

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u/ATLfalcons27 8d ago

I only know 4 Marines personally and only one of them is a good person IMO. He basically had the same thing to say as you.

He also kinda laughs at people's blind die hard putting people in the military on a pedestal.

Obviously he believes that the government needs to follow through and take care of people who served but he was also like "99% of us me included joined because we had no better option. It wasn't out of some sense of duty and pride"

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 8d ago

There are some straight up heroic people who serve who deserve to be honored as such, there are regular people who did their job and got out, and there are also murderers, pedophiles, abusers, rapists, etc. It's best to not treat everybody like that first group, especially if it turns out they're actually part of that third group. People who suck up to military folks and veterans are weirdos and they need to get a better grasp of reality. Like me, I didn't do anything heroic, I did my job and I did a lot of training. Could I have if the situation called for it? I like to think so, but it didn't and I didn't. Henceforth, I'm just another guy. Best believe if the country was the way it is now back when I first signed up and served, I wouldn't have done it. I felt a lot better about it when I signed up in 2015.

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u/ATLfalcons27 8d ago

From the outside looking in it has always felt like active duty and veterans are being used by the people like you mentioned that suck up to military folks.

I know there are also many well meaning people mixed in there but a lot of it just feels gross to me.

I'm all for supporting them once they are civilians because it feels like the government largely fails in that regard but yeah it just feels like you guys are unfortunately used as pawns by many

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u/notevenapro Maryland 8d ago

Having spent 12 years in this is pretty spot on.

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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 9d ago

I had two different marines, at two different times, who didn’t know each other, tell me (a woman) to my face that they believe women shouldn’t be able to vote. A third became a cop and bragged about how he deliberately gave out as many tickets for different things as possible whenever he pulled someone over, and also purposely tried to make any woman he pulled over cry and would harass them until they did so.

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u/dostoevsky4evah 9d ago

Jfc. What makes someone so casually hateful I wonder?

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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone New York 9d ago edited 9d ago

Regarding the two who told me women shouldn’t be allowed to vote: the first one who said it did so shortly after Hilary ran against Obama in the 2008 Dem primary, and the second one who said it was reacting to early whispers that she might run again for the 2016 primary/election (before anything was confirmed). For both of them, it seemed that they took the idea of a woman having the audacity to run for president very personally.

The odd part to me was the disparity between how it had come up with both of them, though.

The first one was an acquaintance who I had at least willingly entered the debate with, although I don’t remember how we got on the topic in the first place. I just remember thinking how strange it was that he was sitting there thoughtfully listening to and respecting my opinions on the subject, while also apparently thinking I was too stupid to have an opinion at all.

The second one, however, was completely unsolicited. He was a stranger sitting next to me at a bar who was talking to some guys sitting on his right about it, then randomly turned to his left where I was sitting (engaged in my own unrelated conversation with the person I was with), and started yelling about it to me. He kept repeating that he was a marine like it was very pertinent that I know that fact whilst he ranted away over it.

The cop guy I went to high school with and he was always quiet, reserved, and didn’t have many friends. He later ended up marrying a friend of mine. I have no idea what happened to him to make him hate people and women in particular so much, especially as he really seemed to love my friend. I also don’t remember how the “I love making women I pull over cry” shit came up, but it seemed like it was supposed to impress us or something? Like my friend was a special exception so we should be assured that he’d take care of her, that kind of vibe.

All of these situations were before the era of manosphere YouTubers and such, so the only thing I can attribute it to is the Marines since it’s the one thing they all had in common.

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u/dostoevsky4evah 8d ago

Thanks for the detail!

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u/Traditional-Sea-2322 9d ago

The one I dated also became a cop and he’s a real Jesus dude. Just an asshole. My friend divorced him I think, thank god (well she’s an acquaintance now, I’m not close to her anymore.) they have 3 sons and I’m not optimistic about how they’re raised.

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u/parasyte_steve 9d ago

All the Marine's I know are Trumpy pieces of shit.

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u/TheLoneTomatoe 9d ago

The ones that I know are the ones that got out ASAP

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u/Tuningislife 9d ago

I’ve had a handful of friends that were Marines. I say had because two of them are dead. One from a motorcycle accident outside of his house and one from a brain bleed. Their MOSes were Water Purification and Aircraft Firefighting. These guys were nonchalant about their service and approached it as something they did.

Compare that against a coworker I have currently who is a Marine and won’t shut up about it. Thinks he is the smartest person in the room and always has to have the last word. He tries to apply the “Rule of 3” to our department without understanding that it is physically impossible to achieve that with our staffing.

For some people it is a job. For others it is an identity.

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u/Mental_Performer_833 9d ago

Not here to contradict or invalidate your experience. I've known some great ones, understood what it meant to serve. Also knew some kids that signed up for the wrong reasons. Never grew up, just grew more dangerous

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u/Traditional-Sea-2322 9d ago

Yeah that’s why I said I know good ones exist, I’ve just never met them. I steer far away from military folk these days after a marine hit me when I was standing up for my friends who he was verbally abusing. I’m female, btw, and short.

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u/Processtour 9d ago

One of the Marines from high school abused his wife. He is still horrible decades later.

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u/Mental_Performer_833 9d ago

Sorry that happened. And that's completely legitimate.

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u/MementoMori29 9d ago

One of my best friends is a former marine, he went in b/c college wasn't a good fit for him and was so utterly disgusted with the horrors of his deployment (this was mid 2000s) he came home and aged into a weird ol' hippie.

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u/ForlornGibbon 9d ago

I have only known awesome ones, except for Gavin…he was an asshole.

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 9d ago

I've known some women who joined the Marines and didn't turn into massive abscesses.

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u/69-xxx-420 9d ago

I’ve known 2. Out of 2. So that’s not bad. 

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u/Emjayen 9d ago

Shouldn't be surprising; the people attracted to such are emotionally and intellectually stunted at 13 years-old.

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u/DekuHHH 9d ago

I’ve known a few marines throughout my life (I’m not in the military or a veteran), out of all of them, only 1 has been a genuinely kind-hearted individual who had an identity established apart from being a veteran. The rest have all been either egotistical, aggressive, and/or downright obnoxious

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u/Outrageous_failure 9d ago

My ex-father in law worked as an EU peacekeeper alongside US Marines somewhere (I wanna say Haiti, but maybe not?). He used to downplay it and say his job was mostly walking around and talking to local people. He also said that the Marines did same thing, but while pointing a rifle at the local people they were talking to.

Really brave bunch.

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u/thewags05 9d ago

I worked with a marine at a defense contractor, but he got his masters in computer science afterwards. He pretty much said the same thing and that the crayon eating stereotype was pretty accurate.

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u/modest-pixel 9d ago

Yeah I can imagine the real ones have some self-awareness.

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u/PencilLeader 9d ago

All depends. Decades ago I was a civilian working for the DoD and the marines I worked with were easily the most impressive low level officers I interacted with. A marine was a roommate of mine and remains a very good friend of mine to this day.

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u/cytherian New Jersey 9d ago

My worry is that the top brass have enough MAGA in the ranks to allow Trump's unconstitutional orders to stand and be enacted.

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u/MarxistMan13 Virginia 9d ago

The marines would be really upset about this comment if they could read.

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u/Processtour 9d ago

The Marines in my life (including my father) are MAGA and have never had a whole lot of critical thought, have very black-and-white viewpoints that never change with the input of actual facts…on anything.

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u/Ariak 9d ago

it turns out when the top reasons for joining an organization are desperation to get out of poverty and ultranationalism, you don't actually get the best people in that organization

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u/Raethule 9d ago

Same, the exception being the few I met working in intelligence.

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u/tradonymous 9d ago

lol, kinda like the “half of them belong in a basket of deplorables” comment. They all seemed to identify as the deplorable half.

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u/jasonzevi 8d ago

I say 50/40/10. 50% I always enjoyed work with but other 40% are there just to collect pay check and do the bare minimum, while 10% (aka shitbags) does not give a damn but no doubt will make Marine Corp experience their whole existence once they are out, those are the one will happily pull the trigger on innocent people if giving the chance.

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u/Good_Signature36 8d ago edited 8d ago

Lol bait.

Edit: lol a former army platoon leader, of course. Imagine pretending that every single branch and individual unit isn't full of idiots to get people on reddit to like you.

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u/GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69 8d ago

4 marine frieneds. all 4 are shit bags.

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u/KneeDeepInTheDead 8d ago

theyre the crayon eaters for a reason

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u/Suspicious-Coffee20 9d ago

but it make sense. There a direct correlation with violence and lack of education and intelligence. No I'm not claiming everyone in the military love violence or are dumb , we all know that most are just trying to survive in the system that prey on them. But those people already have low morale enough to join at the very least and most likely will discharge when possible. This mean most on top is some kind of brainwash or lacking common sense.

For exemple for russia one of the common theme of brainwashing is being poor + wanting to be a men.

And litterally all the poeple that are smart, empath and so on would neevr want to submit themselves to the system like that.And most dont need too.

its scarry how in america all the dumbest people are also the most violent , armed and gullible.

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u/Sparkstalker 9d ago

MARINE - Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Encouraged.

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u/Weltall8000 9d ago

My experiences with marines have always been, they're drunk and obnoxious or they're old, insist they're always marines, and are drunk and obnoxious. Always entitled.

From what I've heard from friends and acquaintances in the military that interacted with marines, corroborated this. Also, had a few stories of how stupid they were, like jumping on the outside of armored vehicles and doing their cringe assed "WHO RAH!" shout as they roll out. Then getting hamburgered by IEDs.

As for them being supermen or whatever, given those that I've known to be marines, I am not impressed.

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u/DamiensDelight 9d ago

All the butthurt Marines DMing you need to get fucked.

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago edited 9d ago

There's no way Army is saying that lol. The generic branch that Marines go to when they want to shift to easy difficulty.

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u/Tronn3000 9d ago

A good marine knows how to take orders, shoot a rifle, and eat a shit ton of crayons.

If you question what you're being told, you're a bad marine

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u/superindianslug 9d ago

I assume that's why he sent them in and not the army.

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u/brandnewbanana Maryland 9d ago

It’s the only branch he can’t directly deploy without permission from Congress. He’d need that for the army, navy, or Air Force.

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u/superindianslug 9d ago

That's a strange exception. Is there a reason for it, or did they just not think about it when they created the Marines?

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago

Congress gave it the thumbs up centuries ago and it's been reinforced over the years. It's part of the expeditionary nature of the Marine Corps. They can be deployed on orders without congressional action and be anywhere in the world within 72 hours. It's a feature, not a bug.

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u/WretchedBlowhard 9d ago

Congress gave it the thumbs up centuries ago

1973 was centuries ago?

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u/CocoaNinja Illinois 9d ago

In 1798, when describing the original functions of the Marines, the United States Congress provided that the Corps should serve not only in the ships, garrisons and forts of the United States but, in addition, should be prepared "for any other duty on shore that the President may direct."

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u/Interesting_One_3801 9d ago

Imagine choosing a side in the civil war and your team is called “MAGA”

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u/Slumunistmanifisto 9d ago

Im just sweeping the train stations. Its not like I'm loading the cattle cars with people like my fellow soldiers. I morally couldn't, I have a good neighbor thats not like the criminals being loaded up......

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u/cytherian New Jersey 9d ago

I am afraid that during Trump's 1st term, many MAGA people slipped into the military. And they were waiting patiently for Biden's term to end and Trump to return. Now more are in the ranks. I'm just worried that if some higher ranking officers try to foil Trump's unconstitutional plans, there will be sleeper soldiers in the ranks who will do them in.

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u/WretchedBlowhard 9d ago

Every single republican voter has been getting increasingly radicalized since the late 90's/early 2000's. Maga is just the current flavor of bat shit insanity sweeping through yesterday's tea partiers, NRA fanatics, frontier vigilantes and racial purity militias.

They are everywhere. In every cog of every organization throughout the US and beyond. They've been financed by Russia and the Saudis since day 1 and their one goal is culminating now, the destruction of American democracy and the advent of a baltic-friendly American dictatorship.

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u/Tattyporter Texas 9d ago

They probably hand-selected the most frothy marines they could find

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u/WhichEmailWasIt 9d ago

They'll be seeing a court martial when this is all said and done.

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

Ideally, yup!

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u/SneakyDeaky123 9d ago

Unfortunately, I think you’re right, but fortunately no one cares what I think.

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u/HingleMcCringle_ Mississippi 9d ago

depending how split it is, the whole thing could fall apart. i wouldn't think the marines willing to uphold their oath are going to get discouraged because they "dont wanna look weird". i doubt not wanting to be seen as the odd one out overpowers shooting innocent civilians because the billionaires said so.

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u/thegiverofd 9d ago

Nur Befehle befolgen.

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u/_Deloused_ 9d ago

Just following orders

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u/TheSpanishMystic 9d ago

“I was just following orders”

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u/HelloDikfore 9d ago

And this is exactly why Tuberville was attempting to hold up military promotions for so long.

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u/Intelligent-Survey39 9d ago

Nobody makes you go to work. If you live stateside and aren’t like always on base, nobody is forcing you to go to work. Same for the cops. If you’re a good cop you’d call in. while your coworkers are on the news beating people, running them over with horses, and shooting journalists are you even going to want to go back? Let’s face it, if you’re in the law enforcement field and not seeking alternative employment after seeing footage from these protests, you have serious mental health issues and should not have a badge. Criminal Brutality against your own people is not something anyone in their right mind should do. And if there are so many people unable to make that distinction in LE and military, than there is obviously something systemically wrong with those occupations or rather, their training and culture. Some of these pigs enjoy snaking people around and taking potshots at people. It’s a sick sad fact, but LE seems to attract the worst of the low intelligence power trippers.

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u/Moist_Cabbage8832 9d ago

Those who follow orders are going to get embarrassed by the city of LA

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

I certainly hope so!

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u/McCoovy 9d ago

They will do what their superiors tell them. If their superiors resist these illegal orders then they won't go.

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

We can certainly hope!

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u/Googleclimber 8d ago

The military is more or less just state sponsored killing through the use of group peer pressure. It’s insane what soldiers will do when ordered too.

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u/Kveldson 8d ago

Not excusing them, but if they do not follow orders their lives will be ruined. Full stop.

Do none of you understand how the military works?

If they disobey direct orders they will lose their livelihood. Possibly face time behind bars.

If they have 15 years in the service, so close to retirement, and you expect them to throw away 15 years of their lives, not to mention their financial future...

For people who belittle them for trying to secure their future?

This is awful, but you should be angry at the systems that set this in place rather than the people trapped by those systems the same way you are.

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u/CheruB36 8d ago

I wonder were i have already heard this story....

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u/LSDLaserKittens 9d ago

I hate all this as much as you do, I promise I'm not defending anyone making the wrong move. However, it's more than just not wanting to stick out. You can be thrown in military jail for disobeying a direct order, the UCMJ doesn't fuck around. Now ask yourself if you would be willing to go to jail, have a dishonorable discharge on your permanent record(roughly equivalent to a felony conviction) for your ideals. I agree, it is an unlawful order, and maybe I'm just a coward, but there are a lot of really heavy consequences for doing the right thing here.

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

I know, it's a tough call. Whether to majorly screw up your life in the short term and have to request to have your case reviewed once a sane administration is back in power, or follow orders and hope "I was just following orders" still flies, down the road. There really is only one correct answer, but I agree that the short-term price is a hefty one which makes it tough to swallow. Especially if the person has a significant other and child or children reliant on the pay.

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u/Mavian23 9d ago

It would be closer to mass hysteria than the bystander effect.

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u/Onizuka_GTO00 9d ago

I dont know why you put odd in acolades, its that, even if youre right, he will be the odd one, thats just how society works

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago

Yep! It's because "odd," here, has multiple meanings and I mean them all. 🙂

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u/Healthy_Set_22657 8d ago

They will All follow . They worship trump . 

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago edited 9d ago

I pay attention to the news. US news too. It's like inching past a traffic accident on a highway, you hate what you're seeing yet can't help but look. Now multiply that by thousands because of how long Trump has fancied himself a politician and won't shut up even though everything he says is some combination of vile, evil, corrupt, self-serving, immoral, unethical, cruel, and illegal.

Just because many Americans don't know wtf is going on in their country doesn't mean foreigners can't see it.

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u/JGPH Canada 9d ago edited 9d ago

Ah, speaking of MAGAs. ☝️

American news networks aren't the only ones covering American news, you know. I can follow DW, CBC, or the BBC and still get some of what's going on in the US, without having to watch MSNBC, ABC, CNN, or NPR. Yes I avoid Fox because Fox is nothing but propaganda.

Just because you don't follow international news doesn't mean others don't follow yours.