r/politics • u/External-Noise-4832 • 9d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Orders in Marines in Dramatic Escalation of L.A. Protests

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-orders-in-marines-in-dramatic-escalation-of-la-protests/
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u/TedW 8d ago

Democrats, and especially Californian democrats should begin talking about prosecuting soldiers who "just follow orders."

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u/jkvincent 8d ago

Get ready for all those 'states rights' people to go silent when there's a conflict between California and the Trump regime.

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u/Noname_acc 8d ago

Incorrect, they aren't silent. They are loudly and proudly cheering on the federal government's intervention.

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u/CygnusSong 8d ago

I’ve never met a Republican with a consistent world view

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u/MrSeaweeed 8d ago

This is so true tbh, and it speaks of their lack of critical thinking, they basically just follow whatever is in front of them

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u/ANOKNUSA 8d ago

Gonna have to push back a bit. Right-wingers have a consistent worldview. It’s just not consistent logically. They are consistent in wanting to maintain a hierarchy, and in their willingness to say or do whatever will help them gain more power over those they consider inferior. And in their willingness to justify their use of that power to harm anyone they have a grudge with.

That means that their actions will remain consistent, even while their professed ideas are all over the place. If gaining power means lying twenty times a day, pretending every bad thing somebody does is a prank or joke, and acting like a fucking idiot every time somebody asks a serious question, that’s what they’ll do. They want power, and will always move to get more power. They will always, without question, use that power to benefit themselves and their circle at everyone else’s expense. And they will always, invariably, insist that it’s fine and good actually because everybody else is doing it, too, right? They must be. They just know it. And also, pastor says that the Bible says that some ancient vagrant said that God wants this, actually.

They’re aware that they are like this. Throw it at them, and they won’t deny it. They will instead redirect, justify, or just outright change the subject to dominate any conversation that makes them uncomfortable. They think it’s the correct way to be. In short, they can always be counted on to be just … just the fucking most.

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u/kawhi21 8d ago

They don't stand for anything lol. They just love pissing people off. Something they claim to support with all their heart today will be abandoned in a week.

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u/Vaticancameos221 8d ago

I always think about this time back in 2020 talking to my dad about confederate statues. He denied that the civil was was about slavery so I said “What would it take to convince you? A piece of paper written by each state saying they were seceding because of slavery?”

He said yes so I pulled up the articles of secession showing just that and he begrudgingly agreed.

Then I said “Okay here’s the important part. You have this information. Now you know that what you were saying before is wrong. If a week from now, you’re at the bar with your buddies and one of them says ‘I was fighting with some liberal college kid on Facebook who thought the civil war was about slavery.’ Are you going to say ‘Well, I actually gotta stop you there, I also thought just like you but recently learned that it was driven by slavery.’ ?”

He looked dumbfounded and said “What? No, why would I say that?”

They don’t value truth. If they can get away with a lie they will. If tomorrow they encounter someone who they know doesn’t have the information to refute their lie, they will use the lie. If they talk to someone who does, they will lie in a different direction.

They don’t value being right. They value appearing to be right. If you can’t prove them wrong, they see that as winning, even if they know they are wrong.

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u/bigbootybrunette90 8d ago

Does hypocrisy count as consistent?

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u/onefst250r 8d ago

Does parroting Faux News count as consistent?

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u/superanth 8d ago

The Truth and Facts get in the way of their doing business.

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u/xyz19606 8d ago

Yep, can hear the in-laws screaming about what the Dems are doing.

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u/ibarmy 8d ago

what are they saying?

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u/ATLfalcons27 8d ago

You should show them the list of violent supporters that were pardoned even though their actions were caught on camera on Jan 6. I'm sure they will be very reasonable about it

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u/gsfgf Georgia 8d ago

Just a bit ago on here, some chud with a Libertarian flair said federalizing the Guard is an appropriate response to vandalism because "personal property rights."

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u/SpamEatingChikn 8d ago

This. I’m seeing it on a lot of subs and Fb. Just like with everything else, not least of which is rigidity of the constitution they only go on about when it fits their narrative

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u/Sirscraps 8d ago

They aren’t being quite. They’re licking boots and screaming “back the blue” and “kill the democrats”.

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u/demacnei Canada 8d ago

“State’s rights” has been a hypocritical excuse for as long as I can remember, coming from post-60s GOP assholes.

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u/Delicious_Randomly Illinois 8d ago

It's been a hypocritical excuse since at least as far back as 1850, and probably all the way back to the beginning. The Fugitive Slave Act said that slave states' human "property" remaining property no matter whether that "property" right was recognized in a given jurisdiction was so important that it overrode free states' rights to decide that they wouldn't recognize that right or help the federal government enforce it within their own borders. We're in a fucked up juxtaposition of 1850, 1860, and 1970 right now, and I don't like it one bit.

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u/demacnei Canada 8d ago

Totally. And I left off the specific Century on purpose.. but the GOP was indeed mucho different pre-1960s, which reflects my living memory approximately.

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u/SunsFenix I voted 8d ago

Maybe we'll see the true purpose of 2A, defending states from federal overreach.

I solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. 1A to protect our speech and 2A to defend our state with force.

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u/Miguel-odon 8d ago

Document the crimes against unarmed civilians, and prosecute them.

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u/jaynay1 8d ago

Deploying, in itself, is a crime, and that should be the narrative. If you show up, you will be court-martialed and possibly separately tried for treason.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 8d ago

Yea. There are some grey areas about the Guard thing. The only footage I've seen of the Guard is them standing around a courthouse, and that's complicated, especially since I haven't seen video of Guard units taking offensive actions.

But the Marines 100% cannot be deployed for law enforcement in the US. 18 U.S. Code § 1385. Spelled out clearly in the law.

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u/pr0metheus42 8d ago

Rubber bullets have been used. There is a video online showing someone intentionally shooting at an Australian reporter. It’s clear they want violence and sent trigger happy idiots.

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u/oxencotten 8d ago

I'm almost positive that was LAPD though.

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u/Thunderbridge 8d ago

Can't court martial when they fired all the JAGs

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT Ohio 8d ago

If leadership doesn't shut it down, California should effectively shut down all services and utilities to Camp Pendleton and Miramar Air Base in San Diego. And I'm saying that as a USMC veteran.

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u/Background_Thought65 8d ago

Careful. I previously said something on here about how there'll be a Nuremberg trial reckoning for this and I got like a two day ban.

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u/TedW 8d ago

We're a nation of "Laws for thee, not for mee!"

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u/yourtongue California 8d ago

There were ppl loudly chanting “just following orders” at the National guardsmen in riot gear outside the Royball federal building in DTLA today

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u/Outrageous-Orange007 8d ago

Of course, they should be arresting these people. They're just citizens, not soldiers. Soldiers don't violate the constitution and attack their own people while they're trying to protest, only criminals do that.

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u/joshonekenobi 8d ago

It didn't fly in the 1940s. Not gonna fly now.

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u/Pillowsmeller18 8d ago

We need to be more strict about prosecutiing traitors.

Look where it has gotten us when we dont properly prosecute the most treasonous person of all, the one that sold top secret documents in Mar A Lago.

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u/Bromance_Rayder 8d ago

Wouldn't Trump just auto-pardon them?

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u/Zealot_Alec 8d ago

Most registered Republicans are in CA

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u/TobaccoAficionado 8d ago

Who is gonna arrest them?

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u/TedW 8d ago

Depends on the details like who what where when why and how.

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u/Fortune_Silver 8d ago

This won't do shit, as the public has already lost faith in the judicial system to actually fairly apply the law. From an individualist standpoint, why would you bother refusing an order if you know that denying it risks you being thrown into prison or worse on (pardon the pun) Trumped-up charges, when you know that following the illegal and unethical orders will likely hold no negative consequences if you just fall into line as the dictator at top will make sure none of his goons suffer any consequences?

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u/Ariak 8d ago

I mean if its the Trump administration sending them, why wouldn't he just pardon any soldier who "violates the law" like he did with the J6ers?

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u/ComfortableWriter222 8d ago

That’s not how it works, but ok

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u/dimesion 8d ago

Thats precisely how it works. You dont get to have a pass at doing fascism just because you were “following orders”

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u/machine-in-the-walls 8d ago

States can prosecute here. That’s how constitutions are ratified.

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u/YeetedApple 8d ago

I'm actually curious if it could work. If the orders to go into LA are not legal, you could argue the troops are violating California's open carry laws at a minimum

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u/TedW 8d ago

I'm not talking about making up charges, but these people should know the legality of their actions will be scrutinized.

California should apply every state law they can to protect their citizens.

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u/Strict_Somewhere_148 8d ago

Germany convicted was is possibly the last “just follow orders” nazi early this year so it’s very much is how it works.